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#13 of 1033 marketing research? by oldblues10 Oct 23, 2002 (2:24 pm)
I for one know there is a HUGE market for 4wd vehicles. now Jeep has it right they've kept it simple, for the most part at least. now what I want to know is why GM, Ford, Dodge, and Toyota are doing catering to the grandmas and grandpas that want their smooth ride in a 4wd vehicle. it's a truck (or SUV) it's not supposed to be a car that can hall stuff, it's supposed to get you from point A to point B halling a load over the rocks, through the mud, up the hill, and through the woods.         I would bet that if GM want's to compete with the Dakota, for one they need to put in a V8, not an I5. secondly they should put on a live front. that's when they will be able to compete with the Dakotas.         as for not buying GM, I wont go as far as to say that. but I will say I'm not happy with the way the company is going, and I will deffinently look else where before deciding on a GM product or not.
#14 of 1033 A step in the wrong direction by ruffryda420 Oct 24, 2002 (8:54 pm)
I'll agree that ever since GM made their trucks "curvy", I wouldn't buy one. I own an '85 4x4 S10, and am horrified that GM would kill such a successful line of trucks.   IFS is not my ideal setup(by a long shot), but my truck is surprisingly tough. I certainly could complain about the 10 bolt rear diff I have too, but I haven't blown it up yet, so I won't complain about that.   Ford is conquering the market for 3/4 and bigger trucks, and why is that? a solid front axle is the key stone here. I'd like to see a Dana 30 (a D30 if nothing else) come stock under the front of an S-truck.   Sounds like the new 2.8 is going to be about as good as the one in my truck. Give me a break, an I4, I wouldn't buy it, would you? An I5, well, we're up in displacement but I still wouldn't buy it, give me good a good ol' pushrod V8 thank you very much.   I wouldn't be surprised if GM equipped the Colorado with a single speed transfer case, and in that case, you might as well go with independent rear suspension too. As long as we're hopping on the soccer mom band wagon, how about just calling the whole 4 wheel drive quits in leu of all wheel drive. not in my driveway!   I'm about done ranting for now, although as more information abounds, i'm sure I'll find something else to complain about.
#15 of 1033 Whats wrong with inline engines? by bustdatazz Nov 13, 2002 (7:28 am)
I keep hearing this bruhaha about how awful that Inline Engines are but think about these common sense points. Inline Engines last longer, a V Engine has gravity pulling on the pistons and transferring it to the rings which causes uneven wear and in the end decreased engine life. The Inline engines put all of the stress and strain on the bearing of the crank. Yes, you get more horsepower but less torque. How many little inline 4 cyclinder engines do you see running after hundreds of thousands of miles do you see? Which engines last longer in diesels? The V engines (International in Fords and the Detroit Diesel in GM's) or the inline Cummins in Dodge? I own a 51 Chevrolet with 150,000 miles on a 216 CI inline 6. It still runs fine (only 92 horsepower but a TON of torque). The only thing that I hope is that they put either cast iron sleeves or use a cast iron block in the engine. I am wary of all aluminum blocks.
#16 of 1033 Canyon / Colorado SS Needed by fsmmcsi Nov 23, 2002 (3:31 pm)
GM should offer the Canyon and Colorado with the 405HP small block V8, AWD, an extended cab, all of the deluxe features (plenty of sound insulation, Etc.) and a 6' bed. It would be an excellent alternative to an SUV, since all of the things which rattle and move around (or go flying in a wreck) would be outside the passenger area, but it would be short enough to fit in normal garage spaces. I would much prefer something like that to the Sierra Denali, which is simply too large, too heavy, and too inefficient.
#17 of 1033 Traded by glzr2 Nov 25, 2002 (8:40 am)
I traded in my blazer ZR2 for a Dakota Quad cab and I'm glad I did. Don't get me wrong, I loved my ZR2, the looks, engine, and offroad ability were great, but nothing beats having a four door pick-up with a V8. If Chevy were to throw a ZR2 package onto the 4door S10... I would think about it, but I would still opt for the Dakota. Why you ask... size. I couldn't get over how much more interior room the Dakota had compared to the S10 (I'm going by feel.. I don't know the dimensional difference) special in the back seat. I think Chevy needs to update the S10 and make it bigger and as far as the engine... I get the same gas mileage from the 4.7 V8 that I did with the 4.3 V6... so give me a V8.
#18 of 1033 DON'T BLAME THE DESIGNERS.... by kingquad1 Nov 27, 2002 (4:08 am)
THE COLORADO WAS ENGINEERED IN JAPAN!!!! DESIGNERS DON'T MAKE THE DECISIONS..BEAN COUNTERS DO. AS FOR DRUGS, WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME....TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OUT OF WHAT IS GOING ON IS ENOUGH!
#19 of 1033 Japan? by glzr2 Nov 28, 2002 (7:25 am)
Wait a minute.... is the Colorado the truck rumored to be designed by Suzuki? Or is GM out-sourcing the Engineering to PATAC in China?
#20 of 1033 GM please build a real mid size truck! by matsukevich Dec 02, 2002 (8:04 pm)
Bob Lutz, HELP! If your going to put a mid-size truck on the market be competative with the marketplace, It's a no brainer. Your engine engineers must be a bunch of wimps. Don't listen to them. Listen to your consumers, your long time customers.......Put at least the In-line 6 in the Colorado and Canyon.......Put a 6' bed on this truck. The ZR2 is a good package keep it on the new models. If your going to build a 4 door make the back seat big enough for adults, two bucket seats as an option I know would work.
#21 of 1033 The engine that ruled the world- The IN-LINE. by ncgtriangulum Dec 15, 2002 (2:02 am)
My opinion, saying a design is bad or good before the product is personally evaluated is not a practical one. In-line engines have been around for over 100 years and have been some of the most durable engines ever built. And as we have seen with products from the past that consumer opinion is not based on sound engineering, but on emotions (whose engine is bigger) or initial cost -popularity is not always best. I prefer in-line engines that are properly designed due to reduction in parts, lower operating cost, more access to vital engine components (easier to fix), and longer life (over 300,000 miles) Marine and trucking companies have lived on in-line six engines for decades and why should a short version of five cylinders or even four be such a bad move? World War II was fought using in-lines and they went through hell-the JEEP was powered by a four cylinder and the GI's loved them. Look at any farm equipment, earth moving equipment, industrial generators, Navy (air-craft carriers!), Coast Guard, or Commercial cruise ships - you might be surprised to find in-line engines. What ever happened to the complaints on reliability, complexity, gas-mileage, how smooth an engine feels and serviceablity? Are these not factors when we purchase? And yes, they are longer and if you want a short front end on any vehicle you must make a "V" configuration. GM may actually make a "Professional grade" truck sooner than later based on industrial concepts as opposed to engine displacement or configuration. This is my opinion, try to keep the emotions out and the logic in-not always a simple task.
#22 of 1033 Isuzu D-Max=Colarado/Canyon by thecargonzo Dec 25, 2002 (7:01 am)
Well folks, here is an advance look at the Colorado/Canyon, the Isuzu D-Max www.isuzu-tis.com (select English at the bottom of the page, this is a Thai site, the same country the vehicle is built in).   As KingQuad1 alluded to earlier, these trucks have been primarily engineered in Japan. As you look through the spec pages and interiors (yes, right-hand drive)please note the following:   - Dimensions are smaller than the existing S-series/Sonoma if my metric oconversion calculations are right. All the scuttlebutt earlier had these trucks growing larger. True, the Shreveport plant may be able to put bigger cabs/beds on the chassis, but I'm not so sure of a bigger cab because of the interior.   - The interior(though reversed), looks exactly like the one seen in all those Brenda Priddy/Hans Lehman Hidden Image spy photos of the Colorado Canyon. Hard to make a bigger cab when you are even using the same door hardware.

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