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Audi RS 6, BMW M5, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Sedan
#8 of 37 Opinions on colors...
Aug 23, 2002 (6:09 pm)
I just put down a $ 5000 down payment for a 2003 RS 6 (I'm to take delivery in May 2003.) I have to let the dealer know which 3 color choices I prefer (from most wanted to least.) I was thinking First: Blue; Second: Red; Third: Silver. What do you guys think? Any opinions would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Aug 23, 2002 (11:26 pm)
What shade is the blue? I'd pass on red, but you can't go wrong with silver on an Audi.
Aug 24, 2002 (1:17 pm)
It's the dark blue color you see in the pictures on this site. I agree silver is very nice on this car. It's also available in a dark racing green, black, and grey. I was having second thoughts on the red as well (it might attract unwanted attention from police on the road.)
#11 of 37 The tuners are already drooling over the RS6
Sep 06, 2002 (12:57 pm)
Word already buzzing around the Internet is that the RS6 450HP is "way detuned" from what it can really be with a simple chip upgrade. It is said that the mildest form of chipping -- and no other enhancements will raise the HP and torque a "minimum" of 10%.
500HP -- just sounds right, don't you think.
But, I agree with the comments about the A6 4.2 -- I have a 2001 with sport package and I can see no reason (in this market -- the US) to even consider the S6 -- the increase in price for 40HP and a little more torque seems a bit out of balance -- the RS6 certainly seems to be the "supercar" du jour -- but it comes at a super price.
I wonder when the trick suspension on the RS6 will make it "down the line" to the lowly A6 2.7T and 4.2 (and S6 Avant)?
The suspension actually gets my attention even more than the power -- in urban Cincinnati my 300HP 4.2 A6 has few rivals -- and besides I rarely have the chance to appreciate it in Orange Barrel Hell -- which is, after all, the way we live.
But, perhaps for $65K an RS6 would be just too too tempting (but that is the price of the S6 Avant -- so fat chance).
Dream on, Mark, dream on.
Sep 10, 2002 (1:21 am)
You would think they would give this car some distinction from it's 12 twin sisters. They all look the same and until there "supercar" looks different from their "economy" car - I am staying away. If Chrysler put a Viper engine in the 300M would that attract attention?...NO! - and neither does this for the enormous price tag
Sep 10, 2002 (1:25 am)
0-60 in 4.9 seconds - Ha! If I want speed, I will get a Z06 or M3.
Sep 10, 2002 (8:35 pm)
Yeah, but if you want speed PLUS real luxury, a real back seat and all wheel drive traction, get the RS6.
#15 of 37 Musings from an S4 owner...
Sep 17, 2002 (9:59 am)
I own a 2001 6-spd S4 (in Nogaro Blue w/alcantara 2-tone seats). I chose it over the BMW 330 Ci and the '99 M3 (the new E46 M3's weren't out yet). The buying decision involved with this car illustrates well the problem with Audi and my attitude toward the RS6. I found the car's ride to be softer than BMW, so I figured it would be more comfortable in city driving (I live in downtown Chicago). But I am a big fan of the AWD traction, so while it doesn't feel as sporty it can do what the (old) M3 could do on dry pavement while spanking it on wet/snowy pavement. The new E46 330 Ci was more comfortable than the E36 M3, but obviously not as powerful.
So I chose the S4 because of its balance of high performance, comfort, saftety (think AWD in winter), and utility. I have not had one moment of buyer's remorse. However, I've found that at times I've longed for more razor's edge sport handling on the sharp curves; and at times I've longed for more luxury features like a nav system with On-Star features (not the pretend nav system available at the time) and controls on the steering wheel. Other irritants are a notchy stick that lacks smoothness and some quality problems that, while completely covered under warranty, give me pause about long-term quality.
More pointedly, Volkswagen has a SERIOUS styling and marketing problem. First, the S4 has subtly muscular good looks that wear well with time. But it looks too much like an entry-level A4 with the 1.8 liter engine (both inside and out)! Now we see VW making the new A4 look like an A6. Then we see the regular VW's looking a heck of a lot like Audis. Then we see high-end AWD Volkwagens, priced at $40k-$60k+, with ultra-luxury features and advanced engines. So why buy an Audi at all?
Then there's the broader marketing problem. The issue with my S4 is that it is obvious that Audi COULD have made it a true object of auto-lust, like the new M3. Aftermarket tweakers seem to have figured out that suspension, brake, and engine chip swaps can produce a truly awesome dream machine. But Audi refused to build such a machine in the S4. Hey Audi: Does it really make sense to make the highest expression of the A4 series concept the RS4 STATION WAGON(sold only in Europe at that)? Does that make sense?! Anyone seen an M3 wagon lately? How about a M-B E55 AMG wagon? Instead they bring out an enjoyably spirited, nicely balanced machine with the S4--except that while I am not at all dissatisfied with the car, I lust after the kind of performance I could have with the E46 M3.
Now let's talk RS6. I get the Audi club magazine, where there are so nice photos and an article about the car. Once again, the car looks subtly muscular and very nice. But it still looks too much like a regular A6 with bigger rubber. I do salute Audi for finally deciding to build a car capable of inciting auto-lust. The point of these exercises (as with the M and AMG cars) is to sell more A4's, A6's, and A8's by gaining a higher profile for the brand. But at the same time VW continues to encroach on the Audi brand with their high-end VW models! And while the car comes closer to the ultimate sedan, there's still a few areas where they have not taken a leadership position with the RS6.
The two areas pertain to weight distribution and tranmission. Bimmers are world-renown for their uncanny handling owing to their perfect weight distribution. I'm no engineer, but if both marques have their engines in the front and only Audi has extra components (read: weight) in the rear for the AWD capability, then shouldn't Audi be the one boasting perfect weight distribution??? Maybe this new suspension system will do something great, but does anyone on this forum expect Audi to overtake BMW on state-of-the-art balanced handling? The other issue is VW said that they don't possess the capability to match a 6-spd manual to such a powerful engine. So they'll install an auto-manual. The problem is that I drove a friend's A4 with the tiptronic and it was an absolute joke to shift manually (viz., really sloooow). It was so useless as to constitute false advertising. But leave it to BMW to come out with the most advanced Formula 1-inspired TRUE manual-without-clutch tranny in the world (on the M3). The Audi magazine seems to suggest that while it will include paddles for shifting the auto-manual (instead of the useless buttons) it will be just the usual Tiptronic they have always used.
OK. So I'm getting married and I am looking to buy a larger sedan than my S4. [Since I leased my S4, that will be replaced in 18 mos. as well.] Yes, I have started to actually get excited about the RS6, but I have to think about that one carefully. On the other hand, I lust over the M3 and the M5 (can't wait to see what BMW does with the M5 successor, as well as the M6). Audi, I hope you're listening and truly pull out the stops with the new S4 and the 2004 RS6. In the meantime, I'm thinking...and I'm getting excited. But I need to read some actual in-depth driving reviews of the car, particularly head-to-head with BMW and M-B. I'm rooting for Audi...but we'll see. Oh yes, the 0-60mph time for the RS6 is 4.6 seconds.
#16 of 37 The price factor...
Sep 17, 2002 (1:01 pm)
The other point that comes to mind with the RS6 is that premium price of $85k. Let's see...the M3 can certainly make the case for being the best GT on earth and it costs less than $60k; the M5 is about $70k and is (arguably) the best sedan on earth. So the RS6 comes along, still yet to prove it deserves to be in the M5's real-world performance class, and it costs a big chunk more money? I believe I recall the good folks here at Edmund's doing a head-to-head with the S8, BMW 7-series and M-B S-class sedans. If my memory serves, the Audi was judged to be competent, but simply uninspiring compared to the other two marques--while being too pricey at the same time. I, for one, hope Audi does not repeat the same folly....
#17 of 37 Personally, I'd like to BUILD MY OWN NEW M7!!!!
Sep 20, 2002 (1:54 pm)
I was thinking about getting the blueprints and several scrapped (government auction) BMWs: M5, X5, 750i/iL and a large model Cadillac. I want to design and build my own BMW when I have the time and energy to do it, based on altered design specifications and requirements.
I'd want to build a sedan as large as the 7 series, drop in a 7.5 litre V-12 capable of 591 HP (based on altered M5 and 750 engine designs, the suspension, handling, braking and transmission off the M5, and maybe cut the amount of fuel injection based on the X5's 4.4 V8 because 7.5 is alot of gas and you may get better gas mileage for the same horsepower.
Plus i want to integrate several new security and safety features which would pave the way for 21st century vehicles. Personally, with a one-of-a-kind car like that, I'd want to call it "The New BMW M7." The room and luxery of a 7 series, but the sportiness of a M5- which are 2 of the most perfered types of BMWs consumers want to buy.