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#3343 of 19336 Wind Noise from Side Window Caused by Window Mirror Gusset
May 27, 2004 (1:38 pm)
This post describes your rights if you have a newer model Forester or Impreza and have wind noise caused by your window gusset.
I got a document in the mail yesterday about this issue. The document was released by Subaru in April 2004 and refers to MY2002-2004 Foresters and Imprezas. (the doc cost $5 from subaru technical site but s&h was $15!!!)
Anyway the net net of it is if you hear wind noise and think it's coming from the window gusset (triangular shaped plastic part on the window near the side view mirror), subaru will check the following.
1) cars with newer window gussets installed (outback, legacy, baja) are not part of this - only impreza and forester models have the older style window gussets that would be considered for replacement by newer gusset.
2) dealer will confirm wind noise over 40MPH by test drive. if pressing on glass eliminates the noise then go to next step
3) dealer measures space between window glass and gusset on both inside and outside of window (with window up). if space is less than 2mm you're fine.
4) dealer measures space between each side of gusset with window down. if space is less than 5mm you're fine.
5) finally, if space between gusset sides is > 5mm, space between glass and gusset is > 2mm and wind noise is eliminated by pressing on glass, then dealer will install new style window gusset (instructions most likely in another 2-page document that costs $15 to drop in the mail) and adjust the angle of the gusset so the space between glass and gusset is same on inside and outside of window.
#3344 of 19336 Wind noise
May 28, 2004 (7:15 pm)
I noticed some of the postings relating to the wind noise from the drivers door mirror gusset. Does anyone know if the 2002 LL bean (still under warranty) is known to have this issue. What is the fix?? Should it be a dealer problem or can I do it??
#3345 of 19336 fitzy2 - read the posting above yours re: wind noise
May 28, 2004 (7:53 pm)
fitzy2 - in posting #3343, directly above yours, I describe Subaru's latest statement re: wind noise from the gusset released April 15, 2004. Apparently newer outbacks and legacies have the newer gusset and aren't supposed to exhibit this noise. But I'd go to the dealer anyway for them to perform the diagnostic described above. "A new style door mirror gusset has been used in production starting September 2003, with the following VINs:
legacy sedan 4*204269
legacy wagon 4*301951
If your LL Bean does not have one of the VIN ranges above then you likely have the older gusset and can go in and get them replaced for the newer part:
new part number left: 61158AE01B
new part number right: 61158AE00B
BTW - I made a mistake in my posting in test #3. It should read: "if space is less than 0.2 mm (not 2mm) with the window up and the door closed, then you're fine."
#3346 of 19336 Air Bag Indicator Light - not fixed....
May 29, 2004 (6:14 pm)
I purchased a used Forester X in April of '03 with 15k miles from a Subaru dealer. At 26k miles the air bag indicator light came on and would not go off. I took it to a closer Subaru dealer (Livermore, CA) for repair, and was provided a rental car for the three days it took them to get the correct part to repair. The problem was an issue with the side air bag sensor, which they replaced. In searching the forums, there were a couple of other people who had an air bag indicator light problem that was difficult to resolve, but I could find no one who noted their final resolution.
Now, at 27k, the light has come on again. I plan to call the dealer ASAP to schedule an appointment, but am wondering what happens if the dealer is unable to resolve this issue. More to the point, what happens after the 36k all inclusive warranty expires and an AIR BAG problem continues to appear? If the problem was noted prior to the warranty expired, I would "assume" Subaru is on the hook to provide a resolution.
In addition, I signed up with mysubaru.com, but noted that they do not have the recall work being done for my VIN number (the parking rod issue). I was assured when I purchased the car that this work had been completed at the dealership. How can I tell if this work has been done or not?
All in all, I have been happy with the Subaru, and the first problem with the Air Bag light did not concern me too much. Now, however, I am worried that I will have a persistent problem that will be difficult to resolve. How many times should I have the dealer attempt to correct this problem, and then who should I escalate to (beyond the service manager at the dealership)?
Thanks for all of your time!
#3347 of 19336 air bag light and warranty
May 31, 2004 (8:16 pm)
I would keep going to the dealer every time the light goes on while you are under warranty. The lemon law in CA MAY cover you if you have to go to the dealer WHILE UNDER WARRANTY an "excessive" number of times for the same repair. The lemon law doesn't really protect consumers much but you might find some help there.
#3348 of 19336 3.0 pistons same as 2.5s
Jun 01, 2004 (3:26 am)
Anyone know if the same pistons are used in the 2004 6 cylinder as in the 4 cylinder engines and if the cars exhibit the same piston slap problems as they age?
How about the new 2005 2.5s?
Jun 01, 2004 (11:13 am)
The H6 has different sized pistons, and has been a very reliable powertrain.
Piston slap is not that common, actually. We now have 5 Subies in the family and not one has had that problem.
The 2005 engine is basically an evolution of the EJ255, so it probably has a lot in common with the existing engines.
#3350 of 19336 92 Loyale and 03 Forester Idling Side by Side...
Jun 02, 2004 (5:01 am)
and that 92 Loyale is so much quieter! Why? The Forester's idling is erratic and always has been (rpms go up and down). Sounds like "shudder shudder, brrrrrr, hmmmmmmmmmm, shudder shudder". There is no vibration and I could only hear it with the radio off or standing outside, but last weekend it was very obvious when listening to the 92 Loyale parked beside it and hummmming along very contentedly. Dealer says the Forester's idle is normal for this engine. True or false?
Jun 02, 2004 (6:04 am)
Well, considering they share the same basic block, the Loyale has a much thicker sidewall insulating the noise.
The Forester's 2.5l is bored out significantly, the cylinder walls are a lot thinner. Plus, any large 4 cylinder will have more shakes to deal with, there's just more reciprocating mass.
What's impressive is that your '93 is still in good tune, so it's kept that advantage.
Jun 02, 2004 (6:23 am)
did you maybe had the A/C running in the 03 and the compressor was kicking in?