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#19297 of 19336 Re: Advice on a Trip to Dealer? [stackman1]
Aug 17, 2013 (1:43 am)
I've got a 2000 Legacy with ~265,000 miles.
Based on what you've written, I'd go thru the maintenance manual and see what's recommended for 120,000 miles and pick the items you'd like the dealer to perform.
My mechanic and the dealer both replace the water pump, timing belt tensioner, and "fan" belts when they change the timing belt. You might check your receipt to see if the belts were already replaced.
Personally, I do a lot of my own maintenance. But I don't do timing belts on Subarus. The last time I took it to a dealer was to add freon to the a/c...paid with Subaru bucks.
Be ready for all the "recommendations" for additional work they'll want to perform! Good luck.
#19298 of 19336 Re: Advice on a Trip to Dealer? [jfl]
Aug 18, 2013 (9:04 am)
Thanks for the reply JFL.
I am going through my list now to specify what I want them to do. As I said I have credits but don't want to go crazy - the car has never run so well. Plus, I have a friend that owns a Midas and I will let him inspect my brakes, wheel bearings, boots, ball joints. For now I want all connections and fluids replaced; engine is looking a bit old. Timing Belt already replaced. Any suggestions/deletions welcome.
Here is my to do list and have two questions - the thermostat and general lubrication:
Change front and rear differential oil.
Change Radiator coolant and replace all hoses.
(Should I have them change the thermostat or if it ain't broke....)
Replace power steering fluids and hoses.
Replace brake fluid and and hoses.
Change all drive belts p/s, a/c and alternator - throw old ones in car.
Charge the a/c system - not as cold as usual.
Change Spark plugs (and wires?).
Replace fuel filter - inspect the lines.
Replace Air filter.
Replace battery cables.
Right rear door needs lubrication...should I have them do other areas?
#19299 of 19336 Re: Advice on a Trip to Dealer? [stackman1]
Aug 18, 2013 (10:45 am)
Forgot. I think I mentioned it was a 5-speed manual with ~115,000 miles. What about the clutch - it seems ok. Is it worth inspecting if it feels alright?
#19300 of 19336 Re: Advice on a Trip to Dealer? [stackman1]
Aug 18, 2013 (3:32 pm)
Stackman1.....this is all weekend simple stuff! If you want, do the engine oil one weekend, the diff the next and so on. You could even fix the tire on the side of the road when you read what I have below! Save your bucks for now. At 115K the maintainance is still quite low. I am concerned about the low miles though. Subaru's have a deal about head gasket failure possible due to low usage. See http://allwheeldriveauto.com/subaru-head-gasket-problems-explained/ . Now I do not want to scare you but get her out on the road more!
This past year I have pulled two units down, 94 auto & 97 manual, down for head jobs from our fleet and have one more, 03 manual, on the books due for this headache. I plan all of the maintenance work at one time. If you pay attention to what goes on with other units like this, you will pull way past the 300k mark.
So, what I say here goes for everyone. 105K pull the OEM belt and replace it along with crank and cam seals. 210K pull everything off and replace. idler rollers, belt, seals, water pump and tensioner. Change your coolant and stick to Subaru's coolant and additive. Now if you have a non highway unit, you may have already had a dance with the head gaskets. If you have not, always watch for the red flag of temperature gauge going up as you increase load. As long as she holds steady, you are fine. Make sure you know where your normal mark is on that gauge.
Change the oil, change the tranny and rear axle fluids yourself. Easy to do and you know it is done! When you drain out the fluid, measure what comes out to know how much to put back in. Too many times someone was paid to change/check the diff and they did not. I come along at a major maintenance point and check to find out they had not! Needless to say, my client fires that shop shortly afterwards. Given you are in the north, I would consider the proper synthetic gear lube over the regular stuff. Also, if you are not running it, consider synthetic oil for the engine if you are not losing it out of the rear oil galley plate. Look for leaks between engine and trans. As for the tire, Slime it! Look for that at Wal-Mart. It will seal up any leak in the tread area. It will not seal bead or side wall leaks. Can't balance the tire afterwards is the only problem. But from what I am seeing in terms of wear here. That does not matter.
If you can, save your Subaru points for the dreaded head job when it, if it happens. The next one I do will be the 03 which will have work on all sides of the motor since it leaks from the rear oil galley plate, due for T belt change and everything else up front, and is know to have head gaskets beginning to fail. I plan to make that job real easy and just pull the dang motor out to deal with it. Being a manual trans, that will need a new clutch as well because the old one is oil soaked. Oh, this unit I believe is about 250K miles sitting 700 miles away from me. Always best to group repairs as much as possible. Exactly why my hair has not gone totally gray yet like my brothers! Otherwise you find yourself going back and tearing stuff back down to do something else you wish you did the first time.....like that $40 water pump! Oh, I have learned to cuss better than a sailor over those times! So since I plan to behave like a Lady, I change those headaches out. Like I say when it comes to major work, if in doubt whip out the new part. On the other hand like a 89 DOHC Volvo sitting here right now, there comes a time to no longer hold 'em, just fold 'em.
#19301 of 19336 Re: Advice on a Trip to Dealer? [girlcarbuilder]
Aug 18, 2013 (5:47 pm)
Thanks Girlcarbuilder - I was hoping you might spot the post.
I realize it is low mileage but it is driven 6 days out of 7; 11 miles to work. Long trips ~ 4 times a year - 1000 miles or more. Never had any leaks. I'm hoping since I got screwed with the undiagnosed broken timing belt tensioner and the rotted out undercarriage - I will be given a dispensation on the dreaded head gasket replacement. I did have the timing belt changed but not the water pump.
And while I have done my share of driveway oil changes back in the day. Never did a differential change. And while it might not be a mind- blower....I'd need to get the thing off the ground. Not as skinny as I used to be. If I wanted to do all I listed myself - do I buy a Chilton's manual and two ramps? But shouldn't the car be totally level when draining fluids like differentials? How do you get the car evenly off the ground - safely?
Listen, I'm not bitchin' - just asking.
The accessory belt work worries me - not sure I would tighten belts properly. Is it really that easy?
How about my a/c. It only lasts for about 10 minutes now. Is that just a case of adding freon?
Leave a working thermostat alone?
Any thoughts will be appreciated. Maybe I'd just have them do the belts and a/c charge for now????
#19302 of 19336 Re: Advice on a Trip to Dealer?
Aug 18, 2013 (5:49 pm)
Forgot. I think the one tire issue is a seal on the rim - not a puncture. Slime-it is no good for seals right?
#19303 of 19336 Re: Advice on a Trip to Dealer? [stackman1]
Aug 18, 2013 (6:11 pm)
Hmmm,,,,,looks like Chilton and Hayes didn't bother with repair manuals for 2002 Impreza OBS's
#19304 of 19336 Re: Advice on a Trip to Dealer? [stackman1]
Aug 20, 2013 (7:28 am)
Hey GCB and Crew
You convinced me about doing more stuff myself. I will hold my SubaruBucks for now and just have them perform an Oil Change tomorrow. But as I noted, the after market repair manuals seem to be lacking. I will definitely need a go-to source if I start doing more of my own work.
I have a 2002 Impreza OBS - I found a couple of places on the web with exploded diagrams but not much text. I need a bit of hand holding.
Where do you guys go when you need assistance on how to tackle a task?
#19305 of 19336 Re: Advice on a Trip to Dealer? [stackman1]
Aug 20, 2013 (8:47 am)
years ago, I bought a 30 day subscription to the factory repair manuals. I recall that it was a Subaru site. That gave access to the entire PDF library. I downloaded everything.
If you can't find a paper manual, scout around for an electronic version.