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#19260 of 19336 Re: 2003 wheel bearing noise, Forester [once_for_all]
Feb 07, 2013 (10:03 am)
Playing the odds, it's very likely a wheel bearing.
#19261 of 19336 Fuel injector service w/ throttle body cleaning?
Mar 14, 2013 (11:03 am)
My dealer, generally trustworthy, recommended as "preventive maintenance", that I have "fuel injector service with throttle body cleaning", estimated at $264. 2003 Forester with 50K miles, all in California, not driven hard. Comments, please, on price/necessity of this procedure?
#19262 of 19336 Re: Fuel injector service w/ throttle body cleaning? [tomspdr]
Mar 14, 2013 (11:40 am)
Seems a bit early, but that fixed a serious hesitation problem we had on a 1995 Mazda 626 V6. Do it if you feel you've lost any performance at all vs. new.
#19263 of 19336 Re: Fuel injector service w/ throttle body cleaning? [ateixeira]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Mar 14, 2013 (12:51 pm)
I would just buy a bottle of Techron at Walmart, or get a few tanks of Chevron.
#19264 of 19336 Re: Fuel injector service w/ throttle body cleaning? [tomspdr]
Mar 14, 2013 (12:51 pm)
How about $0!!!!! I am assuming a cable throttle body and not electronic. Change brands of gasoline. The different additives in another brand will remove the trash another brand left behind! 2-3 tanks should be enough.
In the electronic T bodies, they are servo motor controlled. Different issues there as well.
As for everyone else.....the MO Subaru fleet seems to have caught a head gasket virius! One completed and returned to service. The other two have been caught failing in early stages at 250K miles or more of service. The best I have seen about this issue on web is the following web site. The most recent failure was on a replacement engine with an estimated mileage between 80-100 service. That estimate is based upon exam of cylinders and deposits found in the oil galley.
Two very experienced mechanics, myself included, cheked this website out and found that this guy seems to be very much on target with the problem. He nailed the issue to a t on this 98 engine I serviced last!
#19265 of 19336 Re: Fuel injector service w/ throttle body cleaning? [girlcarbuilder]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Mar 14, 2013 (1:04 pm)
Very interesting - my '97 Outback's battery has always generated more "chia pet hair" than any other car I've owned. Every time I read a post like this it makes me want to sell it so I won't have to deal with the inevitable head gasket failure. And winter is winding down....
#19266 of 19336 Re: Fuel injector service w/ throttle body cleaning? [steve_]
Mar 14, 2013 (2:13 pm)
My Escort fit that bill for me: It was terrible about battery terminal corrosion. Then, I replaced the cables last year and added another large grounding strap from the negative terminal to the body.
What do you know? No corrosion at all the last year I owned it! In other words, it's a resistance game. Try adding (or replacing) a grounding strap on your car and see if it makes a difference.
#19267 of 19336 Re: Fuel injector service w/ throttle body cleaning? [xwesx]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Mar 14, 2013 (3:20 pm)
I walked out to the garage an hour ago and popped the hood and the battery is pretty clean. The petroleum jelly I smeared on the terminals back in the fall may have helped? Took a good sniff of the coolant overflow tank and it smelled fine (didn't really smell of anything).
Got the craigslist ad drafted but maybe I'll talk myself out of it. Just makes little sense to have two cars when neither gets driven that much.
#19268 of 19336 Re: Fuel injector service w/ throttle body cleaning? [tomspdr]
Mar 15, 2013 (4:44 pm)
Tesoro gas makes my car run like ca-ca. Switched to Chevron, issue fixed. Costco has 5 times the EPA required additives, and I fill there when I shop as well. Like someone else suggested, try a change of fuel flavor first.
#19269 of 19336 Re: Fuel injector service w/ throttle body cleaning? [steve_]
Mar 16, 2013 (7:07 am)
Interesting. After reading the article and tearing the first, right side easy to remove head, I went to the left side. That side was a bugger to get off due to corrosion. It also had the worse leak problem.
Needless to say, conversation ensued about relocating the ground strap. I have added another one on an 89 Mazda a few year or two ago. Nice to hear the Escort experience. Might be worth trying it on the Subie as well. The left side has a bunch of timing electronics there. Cam shaft sensor on head. Ground on block. Think that thought out later to try. As for the article about running Subies and not storing. That does seem to be the case. 1st engine died a high speed head gasket failure. Lost it at 286K. The one I service as stated before, could not have had more than 100K is clearly a 98 engine. Clearly a acid build up from oil/blowby gases? The 94 I am getting ready to deal with is at 247K and the youngest '03 unit is at 271K. I am dreading the last one. It will be work on every end of that sucker including valves. Oil galley, clutch, rear main, head job, timing set and everything else up front. Been a very trouble free unit. Everything in house. Too many mechanics have overcharged and beep beeped up! My new curse word! FCC approved!
On the other hand, by having extra cars in the fleet and grouping together with other family members who can drive, we can take the time needed to do a job right and not cut corners.
But before you holler.....sure beats car notes! Some states also have provisions to keep your tags, remove your insurance and store the vehicle. If you do this like me, make sure you tag the steering wheel that unit is in storage so a family member does not take it out when it is grounded! This is also a good time to pull maintenance. I rotate them in and out of service so they all get some use. The older cars are great for winter if they have heat. We save the newer ones with good a/c for summer.
As for the "the inevitable head gasket failure" I always say, anything goes over 200K: things get interesting above 300K! I try to move those cars to winter use in LA. We have a lot of snow here you know! So Steve, I hope you reconsider keeping Subie around. Hard to beat that 4 wheel drive system in snow and the maintenance is not all that bad. Besides, several of us in forum have a lot of road we have already been on. Oh, highway unit....fuel pumps go around 250K+! We now consider pulling before it beeps somewhere in nowhereland. Another thing to add to that 03 list to do.
Second ground.....maybe attach somewhere on left head? Graphite head gaskets not the greatest conductor. Painted new head bolts not great either. Thoughts anyone? Attach to mounting bolt on front bearing housing near cam shaft sensor?