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#18993 of 19336 Re: Hitch Possibilities.... [sgloon]
Mar 04, 2011 (2:59 pm)
1. When talking about pre vs post 2010---I don't know which variation actually refers to the 2010?? (pre or post, or if it applies to my car at all?) I think this is more for the hole drilling that I am concerned.
2009-2011 Foresters are all the same chassis so you should be good.
4. There is discussion about what to do for an AT. I have a MT, is there anything special I should do with regard to MT ?
Depending on how many miles you have, I would suggest getting your 30k/60k service done at a reputable Subaru shop using synthetic gear lube for the trans/diffys as this will take the most beating while trailering. Add in a coolant additive such as Redline's Water Wetter to the coolant as this will help things stay cool. Also put in synthetic 5w40 motor oil as it's a little thicker and will hold up better to the extra heat you will have while towing.
Another consideration is that you should plan if possible to do the trip before the hot weather rolls in which will put even more strain on the car.
5. This will be a one haul trip, as Xwesx mentions, of approximately 2500 miles. So, I expect if the trailer I rent has brakes, that's great, but I expect it might be too small (5x8 or 8x10 size is what I'm looking at)?
Most Uhaul trailers out there will have what they call surge brakes, where you will not need any kind of brake controller in the vehicle. I know that the dual axle box trailers which is what you will need will have them.
You will also want to get mirror extensions as the trailer will be wider than your mirrors. They usually sell ones that clip on the edge of your stock mirrors to be able to see around the trailer.
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#18994 of 19336 Re: Hitch Possibilities.... [paisan]
Mar 04, 2011 (3:26 pm)
mike - easy on our colleague, I can vouch that he's been very helpful to others in a few threads. I've even bookmarked a few of his posts.
#18995 of 19336 Re: Hitch Possibilities.... [ateixeira]
Mar 04, 2011 (5:19 pm)
Sorry, but he has been off on quite a few things in terms of Subarus. He may know a lot of general car knowledge and "I read on the internet" but this isn't the first thing I've corrected him on!
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#18996 of 19336 Re: Hitch Possibilities.... [paisan]
Mar 04, 2011 (6:44 pm)
Just tryin' to keep it friendly & constructive.
Any how, you shared pics which were useful.
#18997 of 19336 Re: Hitch Possibilities....something to consider
Mar 04, 2011 (7:02 pm)
A U haul 8x10 dual axle covered trailer is one heavy beast even when empty. And besides the static weight, it will have considerable wind resistance. Plan on keeping your speeds under 55 and 50 would be far better still. I think you are going to be quite overloaded if truth be told here. Very good, defensive, think-ahead drivers can manage overloads but that still won't protect them in an unfortunate event of liability issues.
If you could post a picture of the tools I think we collectively could guesstimate the weight. From what you describe, I think there is a lot of cast iron involved which is very dense and heavy metal. Without knowing the size of these tools it is next to impossible to help guess a weight. Table saws alone can range from 2' to 10' in length. Dining room furniture could be solid oak, maple, birch and are all very heavy hard woods. If you have a fairly accurate bathroom scale, it might help if your tools are small enough that you could set one end at a time on it. Or stand on it while you lift one end of the saw and have someone else add up all the numbers. The scale will be very handy to find out your tongue weight as you load and sort to get the desired tongue load. Going heavier is preferable to lighter if you have trouble getting an exact ideal tongue load as per the link sites you get advice from. I think tongue should be 10% of gross trailer weight (gross meaning trailer curb weight empty and the payload).
Once you get some pictures for us or a weight, I would ask some of the Subaru guys here about exhaust manifold temps with this trip and whether you are doing hills or not and whether Subaru's have sturdy e manifolds or not.
U haul should be able to give you weight of their trailer over the phone. I'm going to throw a guess out there of a U haul dually covered 8x10 will be at or over your 1500lb limit empty. They make them heavy (strong) because they know people will fill them with bricks, gravel you name it.
#18998 of 19336 Re: Hitch Possibilities....something to consider [samm43]
Mar 04, 2011 (7:54 pm)
You were very close, 1,250lbs empty. 2,800lbs gross trailer weight. 1,550lbs max carrying capacity.
It does include the brakes that do not need a controller, so that's good.
Here is the bad part...
Forester Towing Capacity 2,400 lbs.
2,400-1,250 = 1,150
That's 1,150 for all the cargo in the trailer AND all the cargo in the vehicle and passengers.
So that really isn't an option IMHO.
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#18999 of 19336 30k trans fluid - get it flushed!
Mar 04, 2011 (8:22 pm)
Hi there. I had my '09 Forester XT in for 30K service and its required transmission filter change. I had asked the dealer to flush the transmission, but they never did (they __did__ change the spark plugs ahead of schedule, though. ).
To get this flush done, I took it to an independent shop with subaru trained techs and the trans was flushed for real with the warranty required Subaru Trans fluid. The shop had an excellent reputation from several discerning friends of mine.
Surprise, surprise, I learned the old trans fluid was marginal, showing signs of breakdown despite relatively modest driving.
The new fluid didn't change how the trans works (that 4 speed AT sometimes grabs rather roughly, but the 2 different dealer techs I spoke with claim its behaving normally), but at least it's clean.
#19000 of 19336 Re: Hitch Possibilities....something to consider [samm43]
Mar 06, 2011 (9:30 pm)
Thanks all for pointing out all this info I would not have known about!!!
Unfortunately, I don't have weights on anything as the stuff is in ME and I'm in CO, so won't know until I get there, which would be too late to plan anything, as Im just going there and coming right back. I'll try to see if my brother is willing to get over there and take a pic or two, but he tries not to go there as it is about an hour out of his way.
The dining room table/chairs are Cherry, I believe, so not as heavy as Oak. It's the kind with the fold down sides and leaves to make it much larger. The sewing cabinet is cherry, too. All nice hardwood and much lighter than the furniture being made now a days because it is solid wood, no glue composite.
The Table saw I don't think is more than 4x4, it may be more like 3x3 (I'm going on a distant memory). Band saw was more like 2x2 but tall. I have no idea what they would weigh? Both are probably 20-30 years old?
I found the 5X8 trailer doesn't have the surge brakes and weighs 800# alone, leaving me only 200# to put in the trailer. The 5x10 or 6x12 are about 1800# and both have the surge brakes, so I could go to the 2400# limit with them, per the specs, which I believe would be plenty.
Re: manifolds, I'll mostly be on interstates and will not be going up into the mountains in CO, I'll stop just before the foothills start. So, it'll be 5000 foot elevation gain over 2200 miles. Otherwise, just the hills I'll hit on the highways or near to highways.
I didn't realize that the weight limit includes what is being carried in the car. The owner's manual words it as though it is only talking about the total trailer weight, (ie weight of trailer + stuff you are carrying in the trailer) not total trailer weight plus passengers and other stuff in the car. Comments??
#19001 of 19336 Re: Hitch Possibilities....something to consider [sgloon]
Mar 06, 2011 (10:37 pm)
Glad we all could help.
Pretty sure that gross weight they are talking about includes everything, car and trailer curb and payload weights. I know this for a fact on my last 5 or more cars and I think all before then too. Could you type out the exact wording? But OTOH there are some Subaru old hats here that will be able to confirm I'm sure without you going to that trouble.
So according to your size guesses, I'll put a few weights out there and see what we all come up with. I agree with you on the cherry being a lighter hardwood. Makes a real nice set too. So I say the bandsaw is 250lb to 300 (allow my guesses 50 lb +or- each) The band saw likely has the most cast iron because likely both drive wheels, base and table will all be CI. If the table is 2x2 then it could have 20" wheels. Sounds like a nice old saw. Old tools like that are such a joy to use compared to so many of the Chinese stuff nowadays. And they are made to have bearings replaced and sized with common sizes that are readily available too. Tablesaw at 200 to 250lb. But to be sure it would be so easy to add 100 lb each to these without seeing them. You must have the turbo? Do a nice fresh oil change with 100% synthetic before you head out too. Unless others here say not to use the synthetic. I suggested it because it endures heat better than mineral and your turbo will be creating some pretty good heat at times.
Not sure when you are leaving but would like to wish you a good trip. Successful and safe.
#19002 of 19336 Re: Hitch Possibilities....something to consider [samm43]
Mar 07, 2011 (9:59 am)
Okay, here's the skinny on the total allowable vehicle weight, per the 2010 Forester owner's manual (beginning on page 8-12):
Vehicle GVWR (does NOT include trailer): 4480
Vehicle curb weight (manual transmission): 3250
Max Payload (total weight of people, things in the car): 1230
Max towing: 2400
Now, while the GVWR for the Forester does not include the towed weight, it DOES include the tongue weight and the weight of anything borne by the car, such as the hitch receiver.
So, the weight of your hitch and associated accessories will add 50#, plus your tongue weight of 200#, puts your effective total payload for the car at 980#. Remember, this includes the driver, so subtract your weight to get what is left!
Sam, sgloon noted earlier that his car is a manual transmission, so no, it is not a turbo. From my own experiences, that won't be a problem as long as he is not expecting a speedy drive home! I should also note that fuel economy will likely be in the 18 mpg range, so plan on frequent stops for refueling!