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#17998 of 19336 Re: 02 Outback gas smell after cold start [green_ob]
Feb 05, 2009 (7:57 pm)
I just want to let you know that I have an 02' Subaru Impreza WRX that has been having problem with fuel leak/strong fuel smell coming out from under the intake manifold when the temp dips into freezing. I've taken my car to a Subaru dealership about 8 months ago and all the dealership did is tighten the clamp for the hose or pipe involved with the leak without any charge. Apparently there is a TSB report for this problem in my type of car/year model etc. Its TSB 09-36-03 to be exact.
Unfortunately, the problem surfaced again this time of the year. I notified the very same dealership of the problem and of the apparent TSB report and was told that they are well aware of the problem but it will cost me $500-$600 for it to be repaired. After reading the TSB report, it looks like a designed flaw to begin with (at least to me) and asked them if they can help me with this issue with Subaru of America. To make the story short, they told me tough luck. So, no chance of having this particular dealer be my personal customer advocate. What a shocker ehh?
I decided to call Subaru Of America(SOA) myself to inquire about this TSB report and simply asked them if they are helping their customer about this issue. The representative gave me a "service request number" and told me to take my car back to a Subaru service dept of my choosing and to give them the "service request number" from SOA. I did just that but to a different Subaru Service Dept this time. Less than 2 hours in the shop, the service dept. rep. gave me one of the best news I've heard so far this year. SOA will take care of the whole problem(parts and labor included) as well as the diagnostic charge. Overall charge was to run around $550+ and SOA will take care of the whole thing. All I need to do now is to take my car back to the shop and it will apparently take approx. 5 hours to fix.
I also want to add that my car is a 2002 Subaru WRX wagon with well over 76,700+ miles without any extended warranty. The car has been great without any issue whatsoever since I bought it back in 2001. I still love this car and its been religiously well maintained. Its been a great reliable car.
I suggest you call SOA at 1-800-SUBARU3 and politely explain your problem and ask them if they know about this problem in your car. See if you can find a similar TSB report like the one I found. Then kindly ask them if they offer any assistance to their customers with this matter. It maybe worth a try in your case.
Let me know how this turns out for you. I'm taking my car to the shop next week because the parts needed to get my car fix is already in the shop. I'll post later of the result. Anyway, this post maybe of interest to anyone having problem with fuel leak/smell from their car.
#17999 of 19336 Re: Windshield Film Issue [kwunschel]
Feb 05, 2009 (9:11 pm)
I have this problem if it is a greasy type of film that smears instead of being able to wipe it off (like you would water vapor). It is on my '09 Forester. There is a TSB# listed in the 09 Forester forum. It refers to both the Impreza and the Forester.
So far they have cleaned the windsheild like 4 times. This 4th time, I learned that they coated it with a wax to try to make the film not build up.
My question to you: Are you getting sick at all from the fumes? I am. I would like to trade notes with you if you are getting sick at all. Thanks.
#18000 of 19336 Re: 02 Outback gas smell after cold start [gaspasser2]
Feb 14, 2009 (12:22 pm)
I got my car back a couple of days ago and so far with temperature around the high teens-low 20's, the fuel smell/leak is gone. The dealer also told me that they had to replace a cooling hose while replacing the other hose and pipes that was causing the fuel leak. I paid for the cooling hose for less than $20 but that's about it. I'd say, I'm impressed and thankful for SOA for taking care of this matter.
#18001 of 19336 Re: Windshield Film Issue [sgloon]
Feb 16, 2009 (5:11 am)
It is a film that gets worse if you try to wipe it. Had it to the dealer again last week and they also applied that "wax" but after a few days the film is coming back. I have really noticed any fumes from it though. I plan on taking it back again and will let you know the outcome.
#18002 of 19336 Re: Bad Idle 2 [xwesx]
Feb 16, 2009 (5:41 pm)
It took me 5 hours to remove the head. I dropped it off at a local machine shop. The found all 8 valves bent. Got it back two days later and $261 out of pocket. It took six hours to reinstall everything (but). Started the car and it ran smoothly BUT there was oil and antifreeze coming out the top of the head. When I put the head on the gasket fell out and I did not recheck when I put it back on. Yes it was in backwards. So after dismantling the engine again and skipping a step (the camshaft cover. This time I was able to get the head off in 3 hours. And with GODs help, I got it back together in 4 hours. It runs smooth, not liquids oozing out and a lot of burn off. I am back in business. Total including 2 head gaskets, intake/exhaust gaskets, cam sprocket (chip during first attempt), and various fluids - $450. That closes out the bad idle post. Thanks to all who have answered my posts.
#18004 of 19336 Re: Windshield Film Issue [kwunschel]
Feb 17, 2009 (1:11 am)
The film on mine is coming back after the wax as well. I just hadn't driven the car very far until Sunday... went over 150 miles, now it is showing up again...so, I'll be contacting Subaru again.
I recommend that you call their 800# as well to get authorization for the real fix.
The issue is suppose to be some gaskets on the heater box "vanes". They will have to replace the whole heater box to get rid of it. I'm told it can last up to 15 months (so far reported) if you don't get it replaced. I believe, from what I have garnered to date, that it looks like the "rubber" gaskets were impregnated with some type of "oil" that is given off through the defroster (and probably the other vents) and causes the film you are seeing build up.
This has also occured on the 2008 IMPREZA, which is why they know what to do about it...
#18005 of 19336 Re: Bad Idle 2 [phil2000]
Feb 17, 2009 (9:17 am)
I am sorry that you had the added difficulties, but it sounds like you got it done well in the end. Congrats! I bet it feels very good to have it running again.
#18006 of 19336 Check Engine Light - Codes [xwesx]
Feb 18, 2009 (1:53 pm)
After the repair the CEL came on after 30 miles. Then went off the next morning only to come on as I drove to work. I got codes of P0303 and P0420. The first is cylinder 4 misfire and the last is catalytic converter efficiency. A year ago I checked all 4 cylinders and number 4 had good compression. I am wondering if antifreeze that mixed during the rebuild could have fouled number 4 and also lead to bad O2 sensor readings. Can I hand clean the sensors? I cleared the codes and will see if they come back on the way home.
#18007 of 19336 Re: Check Engine Light - Codes [phil2000]
Feb 18, 2009 (5:19 pm)
Your suspicions may be correct. Antifreeze will definitely foul oxygen sensors in short order. I would check the plug as a first step in regard to the mis-fire code. Did you put new plugs in after the initial repair? I hate to say it, but you might consider replacing the whole set again once you confirm everything is in good order.
You're certain to get the kinks worked out here soon. You just finished with a major surgery; there are sure to be a few complications.
How is your fuel economy? Have you driven it enough to tell?
Keep at it -