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#1113 of 19336 Howling Wheel Bearings
Apr 19, 2003 (5:46 pm)
I agree with cpcp. I was told today that the howling noise in my '98 Forester is due to faulty wheel bearings and need to be replaced for a ridiculous cost of $600. Wheel bearings should last for 50,000 miles !!
#7 of 1112 Wheel Bearing Problem by cpcp Jun 20, 2002 (11:49 am)
99' Forester 41,500 miles, straight hiway miles(no off-road). Front wheel bearing has to be replaced. I'm the third forester owner in a facility off 200 people that this has happened to (all between 40,000 and 50,000 miles). Calling various dealers in North East show that this problem is very common (left rear replaced most often)and expensive. Some dealerships do not put Forester bearings back on the rear---they use Legacy bearings which they feel are more robust. Front Legacy bearings are unfortunately not compatible. Some of the Parts Department people feel it is a seal problem. In any event this is a Subaru problem and should not be a Customer problem. Bearings should not fail this early (if ever). There is either a supplier problem (bad parts), a design problem, or an installation problem. In any event it is wide spread. This cost should not be passed on to the Customer. The cost should be adsorbed by Subaru.
Apr 19, 2003 (6:29 pm)
None of our seats creak (2 Subies in our fleet). I'd try some lithium grease on the tracks.
Subaru went with a different bearing design for the 2003 Forester. For earlier models, indeed, get the part numbers from a Legacy.
Also, try a wholesaler to buy the parts, they are usually a lot less. Try partslibertysubaru.com or subaruparts.com for those. Then have a local, trusted mechanic install it. I bet you spend half.
FWIW, the front wheel bearing for our 626 cost $820 or so, IIRC. $600 is relatively cheap for a dealer repair, at least per my experience.
#1115 of 19336 wheel bearing prices?
Apr 19, 2003 (8:50 pm)
Those prices are insane - absolutely off the scale. I paid $55 ea. for factory wheel bearings for my LandCruiser. Yes, you have to know your way around a car to pound out old races and pound in new ones, but I don't think it took me 3 hours for both fronts. Wheel bearing replacement takes:
Removal of wheel
Unbolt and move aside brake caliper
A few nuts holding brake rotor/bearing on
Pound out old race with hammer and drift
Pound in new race
Pack new bearing with grease.
That price seems tantamount to something technical like a valve job, clutch replacement, or the like.
#1116 of 19336 re: Driver's Seatback
Apr 20, 2003 (10:43 am)
re: None of our seats creak (2 Subies in our fleet). I'd try some lithium grease on the tracks.
It's not the track. It's the back of the seat, inside the material.
#1117 of 19336 Oil consumption question
Apr 20, 2003 (5:07 pm)
Long time Subaru owners feel free to chime in after they read this and tell me I don't have a problem.
Yesterday I made a round trip of about 240 miles in my 03 Forester. On the way out I ran with the cruise control on for a good part of the way and set to about 70 mph. The tach was mostly around 3000 rpm.
On the way back, I ran the car somewhat harder - prolonged stints at 80 mph and up a couple of very long grades that had the engine at about 5000 rpm (no more than that) for several minutes at a time.
I checked the oil this morning (I had last checked it Thursday - same parking spot, same incline etc...., so the bias angle on the dip stick was the same) and found I burned a pint of oil. Seems like a lot to me..... I'm 2000 miles into this oil change and thus far the car has never burned any oil - the engine has 8200 miles on it.
BTW, while it was sucking down the oil it did give me mileage of 25.5 to the gallon.
Is this oil consumption normal when the engine is pushed like this?
Thanks for any comments.
#1118 of 19336 Oil Consumption?
Apr 20, 2003 (5:41 pm)
It may not be worth asking, but... when you checked your oil level after your trip, did you wait a couple of minutes for the oil to drain back into the sump? If not, you would have gotten a false low-oil reading.
Apr 20, 2003 (8:34 pm)
On one hand, 1/2 quart per 2000 miles isn't something to be alarmed about but on the other, it is kind of unusual for a new engine.
Spirited driving can sometimes increase oil consumption a bit, FWIW.
Keep an eye on the oil level and see if it is a recurring thing. The best course of action given the newness of the engine would be to have the dealer document it and take a look.
#1120 of 19336 Oil consumption followup
Apr 21, 2003 (4:34 am)
blane - Actually, I checked it the next morning.....
Ken - Its not 1/2 quart per 2k that worries me. It's the 1/2 quart per 240 miles that makes me wonder.
#1121 of 19336 Piston Slap/Loud Engine Noises
Apr 21, 2003 (5:38 am)
2201 Lengend Wagon that I just noticed has a loud piston slap or valves for the first few minutes every morning when the engine is cold. Is this common? Dealer says this is common but do I trust the dealer?
Apr 21, 2003 (7:06 am)
Doug: good info, thanks. Could a live axle Land Cruiser be simpler than an indy Subie suspension, though? I'm curious.
masan: you must have two layers of foam padding rubbing against each other. One idea would be to insert a sheet of wax paper inbetween them. I saw a WRX at the NY Auto Show, someone had undone the bottom of the front passenger seat. I had zippers that went up the sides, so doing that would be easy on a WRX. Not sure about your Subie though.
I think most manufacturers' rule of thumb is one quart per 1000 miles is the max "normal" consumption. 240 miles is short for that kind of consumption IMO.
Crawl under the car. Look at the oil filter, the gaskets, the bottom area near the front seals. Do you see any signs of a leak?
Tom: please clarify, is it a 2001 Legacy? That's a Phase II engine, I didn't think they were succeptible to piston slap.