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#1191 of 1407 New A6 Quattro Reliability Issues?
Nov 10, 2009 (7:27 pm)
Looking to buy a 2009 3.0T Quattro leftover. Love the looks, it drives like a dream & the price is right. Had a '79 FWD 5000 S for many years of trouble-free driving. Made the mistake of selling it & buying a '87 Camry. Worst car we ever owned. Lousy in snow, poor assembly, Lousy dealer service, lots of repairs fortunately most under warrantee. I don't want another experience like that & have heard some bad stories about recent Audis.
Anyone out there have any helpful feedback?
Wife wants a boring Lexus ES. (Camry was hers too. But, even she eventually grew to hate it, even as an appliance. So I don't understand why she likes the ES.) I want the Audi. Really wanted to keep the leased 328i. But it was "too small" for her. She's 5' '2" (?)
#1192 of 1407 Re: Phone problem [stevan_gl]
Nov 22, 2009 (12:47 pm)
Greetings Stevan ql
In the Audi A6 you have two options for telephone.
1st. you purchase a wireless phone from Audi which is compatible with your MMI mounting bracket, for one of the telephones that Audi sells, for the mounting bracket in the center consoled, that is, or.
2. Your person Cell phone must have the "Bluetooth" (Preferable Ver.2.0) feature allowing you to receive and telephone handsfree with your cell phone over the audio system in your MMI.
You can find a list of Cell phones that are recommended by Audi on there web page. http://www.audiusa.com/ or something like that.
In both cases the telephone must be synchronized with the MMI unit in order to use either phone. The easiest way to accomplish this is with the vehicle operations manual for your MMI unit, Multimedia Information System (MMI) for short.
The standard code for the Telephone Synchronization is either 0000 or 1234 also listed in your MMI/Phone section of the operations manual.
Additionally you should know that using your "Personal Cell Phone" will limit the number of features you can use on your MMI system. In other words it's a trade off
between an "New phone purchase from Audi" or Cell phone with some restrictions.
Also to be noted:
If you have "Voice Recognition" capability with MMI you can control the following
through Voice activation:
Telephone and related Directory
Radio CD Changer.
Note: But don't get to excited as it's an option and the previous owner may not have purchased "Voice Recognition" so if you want it the chance are you'll have to reach to your right hip.
A final note on today's Vehicles in this particular class:
a. They are controlled by computers, and as such, the old days of Ignition contacts, rotors, Coils (as we once new them) are things of the past.
b. I'm assuming you've purchased a used vehicle as I recently did but hears a good starting point to help you understand what's in your car and what's not:
Take your Vehicle ID document with the Chassis number in it to your local Audi
dealer. Go to the parts department and ask them to print out the Complete Configuration of your vehicle. Some of this information is coded but for starters you will see in plan English what items are installed or not.
I'm assuming they can do this as I live in Europe and I just did this the other day
with my A6 3.2 L Quattro Salon.
Well, I'll stop here, hope you enjoy your new ride as much as I'm enjoying mine.
PS: Just remember, Before you panic, be informed.
#1193 of 1407 Re: 2005 A6 3.2L [stephanie5073]
Nov 22, 2009 (2:34 pm)
Please forgive me for saying this but:
Don't ever apologize for things that you don't understand. It's your car, your money
and if it does not work it's your car/responsibility,OK.
Now lets see if we can shed some light on the problem.
a. You have the same car I just purchased in August of 09. I've worked in the Auto industry as a service adviser for ten years. My experience covers Porsche, Mercedes Benz, Volvo, Toyota, Fiat, Ford, Chevrolet,BMW and a 1932 Ford coupe.
b. I hope you've since got your car back and it's working now and it did not cost you an arm and leg. I say that because when you tell all of us that "You brought your car in to a shop 5 wks ago and they replaced your right timing chain and the problem is still there, you must know that you got taken. Not Good !! unless you have really deep pockets.
So here are some first rules for "Novice Car Owners":
"Knowledge earns Respect"
Believe me when I say that Automotive technicians & service advisers will respect
you more if you can show them you have knowledge about your vehicle.
a. There's another web page on the net, which I am not affiliated with, called
"The Car Bible" Go there start reading as often as you can, learn as much as you can, take notes, make a folder and use it as a reference for your next trip to "THE SHOP"
Purpose: If you don't want to spend a fortune on repairs then you need to get smart about your Vehicle/investment.
b. Take or call your local "Audi Dealership" and ask them to print out the entire list of features on your car from the Vehilce ID document with the chassis number on it.
Take it home, read it top to bottom, become familiar with what you have and what you don't have.
Don't worry about all those codes in the left column.
It did not cost me anything, you should not have to pay for that either.
c. This is really the first rule: Don't ever assume that "The Shop" or New car Dealerships know everything about every car they sell or service.
d. If you just recently bought this car and it was purchased from a dealership, hopefully Audi, that's where you should take the car. Why because even though it's four years old, it "Might have a warranty". VW & Audi have an internal Warranty program, Car Life and Car Plus, and if you purchased your car from Audi then you may very well have purchased and paid for a warranty when you purchased the car.
Go to the Audi Web page http://www.audius.com/ and read all the information on the Audi Warranties, Car Life and Car Plus. Also check your purchase contract and see if they gave you a certificate for a warranty.
e. If you have a warranty from Audi then it should cover a number if things.
I have a Car Plus warranty for two years and it covers complete drive train, electrical items except for normal wear and tear parts like brake pads, mufflers etc.
f. Find a friend who knows allot about vehicles and computers that you can trust.
Why because it's going to take you a while, 6 months or so to get smart about what you purchased. The Audi A6 year 2005 is a "New Generation Vehicle" for Audi
it has more computers in it than most small business, fiber optic cables, computer programs that run everything from the head lights to the engine and transmission.
This is not really a bad thing because it helps to makes the car more efficient, safe and reliable. OK, at the moment you've got a problem, a noise, from under the hood. But as they say in Germany "The word (Auto) starts AOW and ends with OHHHHHHHH".
g. Here's your first question when you return to the dealership:
What did the Error Control Units (ECU) error codes tell them about the potential problem with your car? Why this question ! Because everything that's important in
that car works off of electricity & computers that store "Error Codes" in memory chips that tell the technicians what the cars been doing. And the only time that information gets read is when they (Audi) hook there test computer to the plug under the steering wheel and read the codes.
At this point I'm not sure exactly how we should proceed, , is your car in the shop or is it fixed. So please be patient, as I don't have any magic dust, it's difficult at best from where I sit to diagnose your "Noise Problem", so my suggestions will have to remain general and for future use.
Actually, Stephanie, I think I'll stop now as, I'm tired. I hope you get the idea and
that I have not offended you. You've purchased a great car. I had a BMW for 20 years and I put thousands in it before buying this A6. It's the greatest Automobile I've ever owned. You certainly have good taste. And taking care of "THE CAR" is
part of the deal.
PS: If this is still an issue drop me a line with more information.
#1194 of 1407 Re: Unusual noise? [allmet33]
Nov 23, 2009 (2:29 am)
I've had my A6 Quattro since Aug 09, a 2005 model, First sold in July 04.
I mention this first as that's the transition date in Europe for the "New Generation Model"I,E,.The larger grill and longer chassis/body styling with the Audi designation code (4F C6) or similar.
I'm not sure the cooling fan is the origin of this noise, my sound is more like a Werrrrrr! (Winding down) as you mentioned.
The cooling fans in my A6 are mounted on the rear side of the radiator and activated by Temperature sensors which monitor general engine temperature. My sound only occurs during engine shut down not during normal driving. The Coolant temperature is regulated by the Thermostat in the water/coolant system.
So ! if your "Engine Temp Gauge is within Normal Operation range then two things must apply;
A. The Thermostat is working (opening and closing) based on Coolant water temperature.
B. The overall Engine Temperature is in a nominal range so the Fans are not even
activated to pull additional air through the Radiator thereby reducing the coolant/Eng.Temp.
That's why I don't think it's a Radiator Cooling Fan noise.
My ears tell me it originates from the middle of the car, which leads me to believe it's a normal Audi Transmission noise.
Personally I like to think it sounds more like a Airliner Turbine Engine Shut down.
Final note, if you have the vehicle maintenance records, from the dealer/previous owner you will be better informed about your new purchase.
Sounds to me as though you have sensitive hearing as I do, not always an advantage when it comes to complex mechanical devices. Or to put it another way:
Don't worry Be Happy
#1195 of 1407 Re: A6 Underbody Engine Cover [jodar]
Nov 23, 2009 (12:15 pm)
Hi Marley Barr ! (Jodar)
Ref: "Just a Vanity Cover & Serves no purpose"
Another confirmation "Ethics Gone astray" that car owners should take to heart.
I've worked as a service adviser for ten plus years and I always took pride in the fact that I wanted to find the problem that would make the customer (a.) happy (b.) want to come back. But I found that on two different occasions in my "Service Adviser Years" the dealers did not want us to spend to much time searching for a noise or the reason a part feel off. Quiet simply, it just does not pay. In all fairness to the dealerships the service department, most often, is the only constant income and the technicians are on a commission bases as are the parts guys and Service Advisers.
More to the point, that Ground cover as it's referred to in Formula One Racing is critical to the overall Aerodynamic Coefficient performance of the Vehicle. Audi would not spend money on a part if it was not needed to improve performance and efficiency. The answer you got is a joke don't you think: Think about it ! how many people do you know that would actually crawl under a car, for "Vanities Sake" to look at your Ground cover?
Final Note: In the middle upper and pure luxury class vehicles you are getting new technologies and your paying a price for that. What they, the Mfg's, don't tell you is that these toys are Highly technical machines and need, in some cases special tools including computers and software to diagnose and replace parts. Notice I did not say repair parts. To put it another way! "the throw away mentality of the early seventies, developed in Japan, has reached the Automotive industry."
If mine ever falls off, you can bet I'll go back and pick it up, first because it's mine and second because it probably cost more than I want to pay to replace it.
These are the primary reason's I try to learn as much as I can about my $60,000 Dollar Vehicle before I accept an answer like that. It is, in my opinion, an a-front to ones intelligence to even suggest such a thing.
#1196 of 1407 Re: Unusual noise? [jkaudia6]
Nov 27, 2009 (6:41 am)
Jkaudia6...thanks for the reply. Since my posting, I had gone to a couple of different mechanics that specialize in the Europeans makes and all of them said the winding down noise was normal. As you described it as turbine engine shutting down. Since then, it is something I have grown use to and it no longer sticks out like a sore thumb.
To date, the car is running great, getting ready to turn 75k miles. In the back of my mind, the only real concern I have is the transmission fluid. Everyone affiliated with Audi says the fluid is a lifetime fluid and does not get changed, but in my last two that have had a version of Shiftronic, the fluid required replacement around every 30k miles.
#1197 of 1407 Re: Transmission Fluid Change ? [allmet33]
Nov 27, 2009 (10:47 am)
Happy Thanksgiving Mike,
Thanks for getting back to me, appreciated it.
As it pertains to your Transmission fluid change:
I read somewhere on this page somebody had paid 350 Dollars for a Transmission
fluid change. Unfortunately I don't remember if it was a 4F/C6 (Our Model) or an older Audi.
That price alone would be enough to cause me to follow the Mfg's recommendation. But I'm old school as it pertains to Oil changes in general. I know technology has advanced and certainly the transmission does not have all the pollution factors of and engine, it's sealed basically. In my Audi Manual I remember reading something about that too.
I've only been on this Forum a short time but my first impression is that most all of the major problems with Audi's are with the previous (pre-July 2004) or older.
In the current "Large Grill" model and related Face lifts, the "TipTronic" as it's referred to in Europe is the one to have.
Here is a web page that will fill in most of the blanks regarding do's and dont's
(The CAR BIBEL.com).
As a final note what ultimately got me turned on to the Audi was it's record of the last 8 years at the 24 hour race Le Man France. With Seven Straight wins taking second place last year after losing to Peugeot. And the Amazing thing was they've won the last two years with a V10 (Cylinder) Diesel. They will be back with an RS15 next year.
Save yourself allot of time and gas unless you enjoy conversing with service personnel. Another Web Page I ran in to a couple of weeks ago.
" Erwin.com" is an Official Audi Web Page were you can by manuals, tool recommendations, and servicing information on a flat rate basis. If you have enough time for turning your own Screw driver and enjoy it, go to the horses mouth
for the write info.
Oooooop's Almost forgot: In the Operations manual it say's don't ever downshift into the "S =Sport Mode" unless your ground speed is less than 5 miles/hr."
And my tip: "Don't ever use "Sport Mode" unless you've got lot's of room to Stop
and no one is in front of you for at least one mile". Not following the first of these two rules will cost you either a new Transmission or speeding ticket/accident.
Well Have a great Weekend.
#1198 of 1407 Re: Transmission Fluid Change ? [jkaudia6]
Nov 27, 2009 (10:59 am)
JkAudiA6...once again, thanks for the feedback.
I had mentioned Shiftronic because that's what is is called in the Hyundai vehicles I have owned (02 Sonata & 06 Azera). I have noticed with those cars that as the miles pile up, transmission shifting becomes noticably different (rougher or delayed) and as soon as the fluid has been changed...smooth sailing. The only difference I've noticed in the A6 is when I'm coming to a stop with the car in manual mode. Right when the car is about to come to a stop, the transmission downshifts into 1st and it's a very noticeable downshift (in my Azera you notice nothing), however in auto mode...there is not noticeable downshift into 1st as you come to a stop. Other than that...the car is running GREAT!!!
I am actually getting ready to put it in the shop for the 75k mile "tune-up". I will also be replacing my front rotors (got warped when the inspection was done) and new ceramic pads all the way around. I will definitely be checking out the sources you provided. Once again...THANKS!!!
#1199 of 1407 Ref: Brakes, Japanese and Korean Cars
Nov 27, 2009 (11:50 am)
Hey Mike, your on line, OK.
I've never owned any other cars except American and German.
But here's a pointer on Brakes in the A6 Quattro.
This car has a curb weight of just over two (2) tons, that's allot of weight to stop.
I live in an area with lots of hills, you go up, or you roll down. I found the TipTronic
tends not to down shift when rolling down hill, so simply shift to manual mode and down shift to 5 then 4th as the conditions, speed etc. warrants.
I'm sure there are differences between Hyundai and Audi in many areas. I consider them trade offs. Your explanation of how the TipTronic shifts while stopping in "Manual Mode" is correct, and normal (two Maybe 3 Seconds), it's manual mode. When the car is standing still the ECU senses that and shifts the trans to 1st Gear.In Automatic mode it is pre-programed based on Parameter Tables stored in the ECU for the Trans but vehicle speed is still considered.
Mike Are you pulling my Leg????
WOOOOOOOO STOP, Tune-up and Ceramic Brake Pads with Steel Rotors:
Your decision, but I'd give that a bit more consideration: Here's why!
a. Ceramic Brake pads will most likely eat your rotors up unless you intend to install Ceramic Rotors as well. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've never heard of Ceramic brake pads, Rotors yes, I'm not sure what the appropriate composition is for brake pads used with Ceramic Rotors.
As for tune-up on an Audi, BMW, Mercedes.......... What are you going to Tune-up?
They all have Electronic Ignition, with High Voltage Coils for each Spark Plug. The onboard ECU (Electronic Control Unit) regulates Air Flow, Fuel Volume, Spark Timing, Valve opening and closing, A second Control unit monitors your driving habits as it pertains to shifting of the Transmission and store those perameters
in a memory location in the Trans ECU.
If your on the 'Audi/VW CarLife or Carlife Plus program, the service intervals are
either annually or every two years depending on the last service interval stored in the Service check button on the DASH.
For Example, my A6 3.2 l Quattro had 51170 Kilometers (35000 Miles) on it when purchased.
First the ECU Error code read out, what has malfunctioned if anything: THEN
I'm not do in until next year for 60,000 Kilometer Service, and that's just Oil and Filter, If it turns out to be a major then they would put new Spark plugs in, Air Filter, Interior filter for Air Circulation system, and maybe an Air conditioning Service;i,e, Recharge. The Radiator Anti-Freeze is life time, I believe, that leaves
Window Washer Bottle, Brake Fluid Check, Wiper Blades.
I'm Sorry, you did not ask me a question. I tend to get carried away with this stuff.
#1200 of 1407 Re: Ref: Brakes, Japanese and Korean Cars [jkaudia6]
Nov 27, 2009 (12:22 pm)
Yeah...I do go with ceramic pads...yes, ceramic pads can be harder on normal rotors, but that's if you're a hard driver. I've had ceramic pads on my last two cars with no problems at all. I definitely like the idea of less brake dust as opposed to using semi-metallic pads. I do utilize the transmission in manual mode at times to bring the car down from speed. There are differences between the Shiftronic/Tiptronic trannies for sure, but both have seemed bulletproof from what I can gather. The Tiptronic is a faster shifting tranny and geared more for sport-like driving as opposed to the Shiftronic which is merely geared for "spirited" driving.
If anything...what I would be getting done is spark plug & timing belt replacement. I guess I'll add getting all the filters replaced at that time as well. I appreciate everything you put out there because it changes the scope of what I was looking at doing before based on what the Audi service advisor was telling me. The only good thing he told me was that the oil change intverval was every 10k miles.