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2059 messages, Last post on Mar 29, 2007 at 5:33 AM
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 08, 2007 2:38 pm) |
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Replying to: chevy598 (Jan 08, 2007 1:46 pm) |
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Replying to: chevy598 (Jan 08, 2007 3:36 pm) I agree on those big gawky dashboard controls too. I like the new GM trucks...clean quality design. And although I have heard it claimed not to be retro, I see a big resemblance to the 70s and 80s trucks in the grille and light profiles....and as old trucks always have a following, that's not a bad thing.
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 08, 2007 2:23 pm) |
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 08, 2007 3:43 pm) I think the Titan is in big trouble. Nissan won't be making trucks very long if Toyota stays committed to the full size market. |
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Replying to: louiswei (Jan 08, 2007 3:45 pm) http://www.chevrolet.com/silverado/photogallery/ |
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 08, 2007 7:27 pm) As for the Tundra, its a compelling entry in the market but comments have already surfaced about the cheapness of the interior and its clear that it did not leapfrog the Silverado (or 3 year old F150) in interior design or quality. Toyota may have a tough time selling 200k pickups because they only sold 126k of the old one with heavy incentives. Assuming the new truck wont be discounted it will be hard to generate an additional 75k sales even if the new truck is far superior to the old. IN reality, its no so much that its superior, its just much bigger and more powerful. Instead of trying to stake out new territory like the Ridgeline (which flopped0 Toyota decided to attempt to out detroit the Big 3 by going big. Interesting strategy from a company praised as being enviromentally conscious. I would also like to get the opinion of the GM detractors on hybrids. GM is fully committed to hybrids while Toyota remains the only foreign company to appear serious about hybrids. Honda is dumping the Accord hybrid and will offer only two models in the future. Nissan only has one and will sell it in 8 states. Hardly a hug commitment to saving fuel if you ask me. Since people generally believe that domestic automakers are committed to guzzling foreign oil while the Japanese love the earth I think the level of commitment to fuel saving technology is interesting.
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Replying to: 1487 (Jan 09, 2007 7:19 am) The Seqouia is the same but has $2000 dealer incentive. Bit high. Trucks are having a hard time due to gas prices and competition from the crossovers. No news there. It effects all makers. Until capacity is brought in line we will see continued price reduction. Toyota may be in trouble with a whole new plant of Tundras. They may not be able to use all the capacity and if so will have to do something like lower price/rebates which they can easily afford to do. Remember they started the planning for the plant and truck well before gas prices spiked a year ago. they are not all knowing. |
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Replying to: 1487 (Jan 09, 2007 7:19 am) 1. Hybrids: Honda is going diesel, which is why they are de-emphasizing hybrids. And yes, they went "performance" instead of "frugality" with the Accord hybrid, which is why it didn't sell well. A miscalculation on their part, but the fact remains that they have the highest average fleet fuel economy of any of the majors, even WITH gas pigs like the Ridgeline. On the flip side, I commend GM for their commitment to hybrids, but the actual DELIVERY remains scant at this point. I can't wait to see how much gas the GMT900 hybrids can save vs their gas-only counterparts, but the Vue doesn't save very much (maybe 10% real-world, vs the 4-cylinder gas) and their first effort, the Silverado, was really more of a mobile generator than an actual gas-saving technology. 2. Tundra's interior is purely a matter for speculation at this point, isn't it? Much the way the interior of the new Malibu is? We have seen pictures and come to conclusions, but except for the lucky few that could get to the Detroit show, no-one has seen or touched it yet. As for sales, Toyota hopes to RAMP UP to 200K sales a year, but is not expecting that right away. They are hoping for a 20% increase over the old model, or about 150K per year, in the first or second years. (CY2007 won't quite be a full year, as full availability won't happen until March). You are correct that Toyota's strategy with the new Tundra is interesting for this company: it is the first time they have consciously made the decision to forego fuel economy in favor of size and power - all their market research showed that buyers in this segment have less regard for economy than they do for power and size. Officials of the company have stated as much in interviews. 3. Rebates: Toyota is currently offering cash rebates on models that are old, and in the case of the Tundra was never fully competitive even when it was new. HL is a 5-year-old model now, due to be replaced in about 4 months. Tundra is six years old, can you believe it? This is not a change in practice at Toyota - they have always done this at the end of the model cycle to clear out the old vehicles and make way for the new ones. The only deviation has been in the size of the rebates, and only in the case of the Tundra. $4000 is a very high rebate for Toyota. Once the Tundra turnover occurs, I am sure we will see similar rebate increases appear on the Sequoia, also a 5-year-old and also due for replacement late this year. |
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Replying to: chevy598 (Jan 08, 2007 3:25 pm) Those are the HVAC controls. And they are large so they can be operated with gloves on. Just like the large HVAC controls in the Silverado. The biggest difference is that in the Tundra, the controls are a contrasting color (silver against a dark dash) vs. monotone in the Silverado. |
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