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Toyota Tundra, Chevrolet Silverado 1500, Truck
#827 of 2059 Re: Get the facts straight [rorr]
Feb 23, 2007 (9:03 pm)
Automotive news link is www.autonews.com but you need a paid subscription to get to the data centre.
As to the breakdown of Toyotas sales from 2005 to 2006:
Domestic - 1,399,496
Import - 860,799
Total - 2,260,295
Domestic - 1,362,904
Import - 1,399,496
Total - 2,542,525
The production data I gave is for US only. Automotive news breaks it down by country. Here is the rest if you are interested:
Total U.S. car 503,885
Total Canada car 240,494
Total U.S. truck 327,708
Total Canada truck 76,939
Total Mexico truck 34,465
Total U.S. car 1,156,809
Total Canada car 543,496
Total Mexico car 191,177
Total U.S. truck 1,937,609
Total Canada truck 250,925
Total Mexico truck 309,414
My post was not to you correction on the Tundra beds. You are correct on where they are made and I was not disbuting that. I think its good that Toyota builds plants in the US (and Canada) but they are not creating jobs. They are displacing a subset of the jobs lost at the Big 3 and the rest of the Big 3 jobs are lost the huge number of import sales from Japan.
As to whether Silverado or Tundra is a better truck, I will give you my opionion: Silverado. First, I believe Toyota has produced a very capable and formidable competitor in the new Tundra. However, the Tundra does not offer Heavy Duty versions or Diesals which is a huge part of the full size truck market. I spent considerable time in both the Tundra and Silverado at NAIAS and I can tell you the GTM900 interiors are much nicer and have higher quality plastics than Tundra. The panel gaps are tighter as well. The Tundra has a killer top V8 engine but the lower level V8 is outclassed by the GMT900 4.8 and 5.3. Lastly while I respect the capabilities of the Tundra, I find the truck to be ugly. The Black plastic insert above the front grill is very cheap looking.
By the way, I read on another forum that Car and Driver compared the Silverado, Tundra, Ram, F150 and Titan in the April Issue. According to the poster, the order of finish was as follows:
Again, I read this on another forum and I have not seen the issue yet (I do subcrive to C&D but they come later in Canada) so I can't confirm if it is true. If it is, I am surprised that the Tital is so high and the F150 for low.
#829 of 2059 TOYOTA>best RELIABILITY in industry
Feb 23, 2007 (9:18 pm)
There is NO dispute on this. Even the 200 vice presidents (or, is it now 150 ?) at GM have conceded that TOYOTA is the benchmark for RELIABLE trucks and cars...bar none. So, if you get stranted along the road in your GMC or Chevy truck, a soccer mom will be along soon in her new pink Tundra (as sissified as it is) to tow you home.
#830 of 2059 Re: OnStar [blckislandguy]
Feb 23, 2007 (9:32 pm)
I write my own stuff. I think it's important to look at life with a sense of humor. Having the facts helps, too. I've spent most of my life tinkering with cars and trucks - including GMs and Toyotas, and have the scars on my knuckles to prove it. I think my posts demonstrate at least a rudimentary knowledge of the way vehicles work. I like to pass on that knowledge. If you think I'm wrong about something, let me know why you think so. But don't call me names.
You'll notice I don't attack people personally. There's no need for that. Automobiles just aren't that important in the overall scheme of things.
I appreciate the recent 'time out' called by the moderator. Hey folks, take a deep breath. Relax. It's just trucks, fercryinoutloud. Trucks are just toys for bigger boys.
#832 of 2059 Re: OnStar [blckislandguy]
Feb 23, 2007 (9:57 pm)
I like the silverados looks but i've seen the kinda crap that some of my friends & relatives have gone through with their sierras and silverados which arnt even 3 years old. I dont want to go to the shop 22 times or have my truck bought back. I'll admit theres a few which are great and take abuse but the last few years theyve been POSes. If i had to pick between dodge, fords and chevy/silverado 1/2 tons i would pick the GM twins theyre better in resale value and dont feel as cheap. Toyota basically made a muscle truck, They got tired of all the crap domestic guys bashed about and gave what the American public wants no "sissy" car interior, aggressive front end which some toy execs didnt want and power . I hope these GM twins come out to be great trucks because theyre very nice lookin
looking at GM sales, it seems like a lot of people are fed up and changing brands. If they continue to fall in quality and reliability people in todays informed market will look else where. I dont think advertising will save them, not even good reviews if they dont put out a more reliable product then the competition.
#833 of 2059 Re: OnStar [1offroader]
Feb 23, 2007 (10:16 pm)
You know, I have been driving for over 35 years, and have never had a car equipped with On-Star.
Most people that I know, do not renew their free trial after the 12 months has passed. And with cell phones, one can argue it's not really needed. I guess there are a few accidents where you could be knocked out and not able to talk.
But most people that I know do not find enough value in On-Star.
#834 of 2059 Re: OnStar [1offroader]
Feb 24, 2007 (12:06 am)
Wow that was a comical story but with real life facts.
#835 of 2059 Re: OnStar [rockylee]
Feb 24, 2007 (12:14 am)
Toyota is doing some type of onstar thing also. Havent heard anything concrete yet maybe its because most people dont need onstar since almost everybody has cell phones lol.
#836 of 2059 Re: TUNDRA is a "SOCCER MOM" truck [guttersn1pe]
Feb 24, 2007 (12:19 am)
Generally speaking, I believe that warranties have less to do with the actual quality of the vehicle and more to do with the auto maker's desire to change the perception of their quality.
Generally Speaking you are correct but Hyundai does rank among the top in reliability.
After all, GM's warranty prior to 2007 was pretty much the standard 3 year/36K, right?
Chevrolet, GMC, Pontiac, Saturn were 3 year/36K bumper to bumper. I'd have to look up the powertrain warrranty. The diesel's had a longer powertrain warranty than the gas.
Cadillac, Buick, Saab, all have 4 yr. 50K bumper to bumper warranty's. Oldsmobile in it's final years had a 5 year 60K bumper to bumper warranty to give potential owners peace of mind.
All GM automobiles for 2007' have 5 year 100K powertrain warranty's. The Hyundai powertrain warranty is yes 5 years longer but theirs a catch to them. They are non-transferrable. The GM warranty's can be transferred to owner to owner until it expires.
I don't think their quality has improved that much from the 2006 to the 2007 model year.
Well maybe not in just 1 years time frame but from let's say 2004 to present it has quite a bit. GM, hasn't put a awful interior in any of it's new products and more and more technology from powertrain to gadgetology will roll out each year.
And doesn't Hyundai offer a 10 year, 100k warranty - 5 years longer than GM's 5 year, 100k? So wouldn't that be the best warranty?
Your answer is posted above but I will add yeah the Hyundai is the best for someone that keeps a car for a long time and drives only 10K a year in mileage. Most americans drive and average of 18K a year total from what I read