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#50 of 2059 hOudini.... by tomh12 May 15, 2002 (8:42 am)
thank you for your opinion on my question about Toyota engine Sludge problems as they pertain to the Tundra. I would like to know how many Landcruisers with this 4.7 V8 have been sold. I would think, not many. And since the problem was so small in the V6 and 4cyl engines (.103%??) it would seem that the problem could well exist in an engine that only has seen a few hundred thousand sold. Especially since Toyota did not know the cause of the problem in the first place. I have read that it related to engine temperature variations from one part of the engine to another....this in addition to what Quadrunner500 mentions as possible causes of the SLUDGE problem. Of course, I have also read that Toyota blamed the problem on poor maintenance by owners. Also, you did not address my question about the Toyota engine KNOCK issue that I have seen discussed in other topics here and also at other forums. Does Toyota know what is causing this knocking in some of their engines? Do you know what percentage of Tundras have this problem.   If you prefer, and maybe we should, we could discuss this in the Toyota Tundra Problems topic if it would be more appropriate there since it really doesn't have anything to do with Tundra VS Silverado 1500. Thanks for your help. Tom
#51 of 2059 Happy GMC Owner by qzs4vb May 15, 2002 (8:44 am)
I am happy to report that my 2000 GMC Sierra has 35,000 miles and it hasn't been back to the dealer since the day I picked it up. I have had zero problems with it and love the power of the engine, the looks, and the interior.   Personally I would be embarrased to drive a Toyota, but then I believe in buying american. That Tundra is a nice ladies truck though, but not for my wife.
#52 of 2059 tom and qvs4vb by h0udini May 15, 2002 (9:13 am)
Tom, the Tundra's cold start knock is a completely different animal than the GMC's persistent knock illustrated here: http://www.angelfire.com/tx5/gmpistonslap/index.html We all know Toyota owners are very demanding and have high expectations from their vehicles. They've been spoiled. If Toyota engine knock exists as you suggest, I'm sure we'll hear about it! But as of yet, there hasn't been nearly the response for Toyota engine knock as there has been for GMC engine knock. Please be rational in your conlusion. qzs4vb, all Toyota trucks are made in the USA, while GMC has production lines in 3d world countries like Mexico. Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?
#53 of 2059 Still Happy Too by dch0300 May 15, 2002 (9:53 am)
My 2001 Silverado 1500, 5.3L, ext-cab, Z-71 is now 17 months old and has 12,200 miles on it. I'm very picky when it comes to my toys, and so far this is the honest truth about my truck.   I have a slight engine tick for about 10 seconds at cold start up. I check the oil level just prior to every oil change and it is always at full. I've not had any recalls on it, and it's never been in a shop for a repair on anything. I've had no rattles, shakes, knocking, etc. from day one. I've been 4x4'ing and boat towing with no concerns (except that I only caught 1 fish yesterday). My highway mileage (at 75 to 80 mph w/out towing) averages 18.5 mpg. My city mileage (at around 35 mph) averages 15.5 mpg.   I've have never gone out and really worked this truck to its limits and probably never will. But for the things that is has done for me, it has performed flawlessly and without complaint.   Could a Tundra have done the same things that I've done with my Silverado flawlessly and without complaint? I'm sure it could have, I have no reason to believe that it couldn't. When you do get a good one, they both are fine trucks and I'm sure they will perform nearly the same with one being better at some things and worse at others.   I do know that I have no regrets what-so-ever with my truck. And I feel extremely sorry for those Tundra or Silverado owners who didn't get the good truck like they were expecting to get. But does that mean that one is still better than the other? I my opinion....not. And that same debate is several decades old when it come to Ford vs. Chevy, and it still has never been settled.   Thanks for your time, and now to get back to more important things....which could be just about anything other than this.   Hope the trout are biting tomorrow.
#54 of 2059 Dch by bamatundra May 15, 2002 (10:34 am)
Consumer Reports rated the '99 and '00 Silverados as "used vehicles to avoid". This can't help the resale.
#55 of 2059 Bama by quadrunner500 May 15, 2002 (11:03 am)
Can a certified LEMON have a future as a "used" vehicle to avoid? Not if the buying habits of new owners are any indication. Were they tricked into buying drum brakes, rubber steering wheel, ferret horn? Duped Tundra owners have been calling the NHTSA in droves. Complaint index 2454 1-800-LEMON-LAW Services are free. You have nothing to lose except your LEMON. To get rid of your lemon, click here Free Lemon Survival Kit
#56 of 2059 Quad..... by tomh12 May 15, 2002 (11:06 am)
ROTFLMAO!!! Tom
#57 of 2059 Here we go again by obyone May 15, 2002 (11:08 am)
Quoting CR. Man, this is very old and a laugh to boot. TT has this one down. The Tundra's a poseur. For them who be chasin the shine.   Neighbor just traded his T100 for a Tacoma Crew Cab. He tows a 2800# boat. Funny isn't it? Replacing Toyota's full size with a pint sized truck.   I think many of the Tundra owners would be better off with the Tacoma. At least IT didn't make the top 25 most complained about vehicles.
#58 of 2059 Sometimes, you have to read between the lines by h0udini May 15, 2002 (11:18 am)
to see the truth. Isn't it peculiar that only the GMC folks continually compare their trucks to Toyota? Doesn't this say they are too embarrased to compare with Ford or Dodge? I guess GMC isn't even a Big 3 contender anymore. It was bumped by Toyota and now they're bitter about it!
#59 of 2059 bama by dch0300 May 15, 2002 (11:21 am)
I'll be honest again with you Bama,     Back in the summer of 1998 I test drove a new 1999 Silverado 1500 ext-cab Z-71, and I too would have given that specific vehicle an "avoid" rating. It was not well built, rattled, was all over the road, and about bounced me out of my seat.   However, since I only test drove that one truck, does that give me the right to say that "all" 1999 Silverados are to be avoided? No, I only tested that one truck. Maybe if I had tested 100 trucks I could come up with a more justified "avoid" recommendation if it warranted it, but not with just one truck being sampled.   Can you tell me how many trucks did Consumer Reports test before it came up with its "avoid" rating for the 1999 and 2000 Silverados?   I'm sure there are a significant percentage of those 1999 or 2000 Silverados that are good trucks to own. My dad owned one, a new 2000 Silverado reg-cab 2wd. I sold it for him after a year and 18,000 miles later, and he then went and bought a new 2001 ext-cab Z-71. We got $500 below Kelly Blue Book for it, and it was a good well build truck. I work near the guy who bought it, and he is still very happy with it.   Not that I really care, but what does C.R. say about the 2001 Silverados?

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