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#273 of 2059 Re: BELIAS [belias] by lazygoodan Feb 07, 2007 (10:41 am)
Replying to: belias (Feb 07, 2007 6:08 am) Once again, you are ignorant of the facts. The only UAW members employed by Toyota are the ones at the GM-Toyota joint venture plant in Freemont, CA (NUMMI). The Flat Rock, MI plant owned by Mazda/Ford also has UAW members. Otherwise, NONE of the foreign owned plants have UAW members. Some of the best jobs in the US auto industry are not the UAW factory jobs, but the design, engineering, and R&D jobs that are NON-UAW salaried workers. The fact is that Toyota does much of this work outside the country. There is a small tech center in Ann Arbor, MI, but no where near as big as even the DCX Tech Center in Auburn Hills, MI, much less Ford's campus in Dearborn, or GM's in Detroit and Warren, MI. My numbers include salaried and hourly jobs, non-union and union. The source for those numbers are the individual companies, Automotive News, and the AIAM.   The 70% number is as of 2005 (source = Automotive News).   The first transplant was built by Honda in Marysville, OH and started producing Accords in 1981. That's why I started from 1980.   YOU (not me) brought up that Toyota is such an American company. I'm just trying to show the point that the Big 3 are still (BY FAR) the most American companies, producing the most vehicles, employing the most people, and paying the most taxes in this country. Yes, Toyota is building plants here. One of their plants got such a large tax break that EACH JOB costs the state $360,000 in tax incentives.   Both the Tundra and the Silverado are great products. My whole point here is that you CANNOT say the Tundra is "more American" than the GM trucks. More parts are coming from overseas. Yes, this is true. It's part of globalization. Ultimately, more $$ of a Tundra's sale go to Japan than $$ of GM truck. That's a fact.   I have facts to compare, as you can see. And the facts support my point.
#276 of 2059 RORR by geo9 Feb 07, 2007 (11:33 am)
I guess I have to be literal : Trailer hitch........aka Trailering Platform aka class 4 or whichever weight rated hitch PLATFORM that is installed. No vehicle mfr. gives you the actual "hitch" aka ball and leveling bar assembly...........   Locker, Posi aka limited slip nowadays. Limited slip is preferred because a true locker does not allow for unequal wheel turning (like rounding a corner) without axle hop or chatter. The best true locker applications are mainly for drag racing. No light truck (or car) mfrd.that I know of has a true locking rearend anymore. Back in the dark ages mfrs. had their own trade names: Safe-t-trac, Traction lock   Sorry to confuse you........... Replies to this message: rorr (Feb 07, 2007 11:46 am)
#277 of 2059 Re: RORR [geo9] by rorr Feb 07, 2007 (11:46 am)
Replying to: geo9 (Feb 07, 2007 11:33 am) This is too funny.   Toyota Tundra with TOW PACKAGE (which is standard equipment on V8 models) includes the following:   "V8 Tow Package [2] Heavy-duty tow hitch receiver, 7-pin connector, Trailer brake controller prewire, Supplemental transmission cooler, TOW/HAUL mode (not available with 4.7L V8), Automatic-transmission temperature gauge, 4.100 rear axle ratio (on 4.7L models) or 4.300 rear, axle ratio (on 5.7L models)"   http://www.toyota.com/tundra/models.html   I know you may soil your computer actually (gasp) LOOKING at the info on Toyota's website. But if Toyota says the V8 models include a hitch receiver, I don't know why you guys continue to foist the crap about not having a hitch.   "Locker, Posi aka limited slip nowadays. Limited slip is preferred because a true locker does not allow for unequal wheel turning (like rounding a corner) without axle hop or chatter. The best true locker applications are mainly for drag racing. No light truck (or car) mfrd.that I know of has a true locking rearend anymore. "   Again, too funny. There is a BIG difference between a locker rear-end and a limited-slip. I'm sure that others will tell you this as well. Just how towing inclined ARE YOU if you don't know this?   BTW - The new GM's DO HAVE an automatic locker rear-end rather than a limited slip.
#278 of 2059 ACTUAL TOW RATINGS by geo9 Feb 07, 2007 (11:54 am)
The towing figures in post 257 are comparing the tundras 5.7 vs. 4.8 figures............   Lets do 4x4 reg. cab. short box with the 4.7 and 4.8 engines tundra: 8200 lbs. Silverado: 8900 lbs.   RORR: I DO know how to tow and have a Chevy 2500 to do it with ! You see I ACTUALLY OWN a truck !!!!!!!!!!! My camper, boat, or watercraft (I would refer to them as "jetskis" but I must remember to be "literal" so NOT to confuse anyone) need to be towed.   And yes I know what a true LOCKING REAR is......... Even they are not installed in pass.cars or light trucks anymore........... Replies to this message: belias (Feb 07, 2007 12:03 pm) kdhspyder (Feb 08, 2007 6:30 am)
#280 of 2059 Re: ACTUAL TOW RATINGS [geo9] by belias Feb 07, 2007 (12:03 pm)
Replying to: geo9 (Feb 07, 2007 11:54 am) If you want the best towing specs, compare the "Best" towing models... do Tundra's 5.7L to Chevy's 6.0. The highest numbers for each are 10,800 and 10,500 lbs. Not much difference...
#281 of 2059 Re: No factory hitch on them tundras? [rorr] by framer_rube Feb 07, 2007 (12:08 pm)
Replying to: rorr (Feb 07, 2007 9:56 am) Rorr, edmunds tells that them tundra ones don't come with that hitch now. Guessin that edmunds knows them ones, and they say no hitch. Seems like workin them without that hitch mean lack of that haul. Now if folks go to addin that hitch, what happens to that warranty on em? We haul 7 to 8 tabacco trains nose to tail. Don't need to be bustin one of them ones doin this without that factory warrenty now. Seems like them older tundras had some hitch mystery too. Have you seen them new ones with that factory hitch? How bout them pumpkins, they full size? Need to know that we can work em at that farm now. Lookin for folks who eye balled em, not read on em. Good luck on this one now! Replies to this message: rorr (Feb 07, 2007 12:35 pm)

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