Last post on Mar 29, 2007 at 6:33 AM
You are in the Toyota Tundra
What is this discussion about?
Toyota Tundra, Chevrolet Silverado 1500, Truck
#2030 of 2059 Re: Satisfied with my Silverado [dave8697]
Mar 28, 2007 (7:37 pm)
Dave, it is positively amazing to me why more people don't see it your way. As the Japanese look in amazement at our self destructive ways, our negative savings rate, our excessive consumer spending, and our mall rat culture they are laughing all the way to the bank. I can guarantee you that given the minuscle differences between these two trucks, no Asian would ever pay 4K to 5K (or roughly 15% to 20%) more for one of them, especially if not made by his country.
#2031 of 2059 Re: Lag time... [1offroader]
Mar 28, 2007 (9:32 pm)
Hey 1 off.............Use the word "bafflegab" ~!!!!!!!!!!!
The toyoyo salesfolk and non owner cheerleaders LIKE that one !
As you have prob. noticed there are NO actual tundra owners
Most (if any) are posting over at tundrasolutions.com with
their problems and other issues. Do you think they would
dare complain here? They know they overpaid for a lesser
truck and won't gain any sympathy here because our resident
salesfolk here already GOT their money and don't need to
hear from them anymore...........
#2032 of 2059 tundra A SALES FLOP
Mar 28, 2007 (9:42 pm)
The Autoweek daily drive blog is reporting their is a
new $1000 rebate on the new tundra !
Slow sales eh?????????
#2033 of 2059 Re: Satisfied with my Silverado [blckislandguy]
Mar 28, 2007 (10:09 pm)
they are laughing all the way to the bank
Hate to disagree with you, blckislandguy, but the Japanese economy has been in the tank for more than a decade. Once, the world thought the Japanese had figured it all out, but that balloon burst big time many years ago.
Even with all our social dysfunction, which I agree with BTW, the U.S. economy is so big and incredibly dynamic compared to Japan or any other country, there is simply no argument that the ones going to "the bank" are Americans by a ratio of about 10:1.
Mar 28, 2007 (10:15 pm)
I'm sad. I feel left out. Nobody has called me jreagan yet. Everyone else has been. What, I'm not good enough for you? What am I? Chopped liver???? Could someone PLEASE call me jreagan? It would make me feel a lot better, and not so...lonely.
#2035 of 2059 MORE toyota RECALLS
Mar 29, 2007 (12:59 am)
This is a post from another site:
Although we've barely passed mid-February, Toyota has already recalled 533,417 vehicles this year in a mix that, according to http://www.AutoRecalls.us, includes Tundras Sequoias and Camrys. That puts Toyota on track to recall
more than the over 1.76 million autos they recalled in the U.S. and Japan in 2006, and the 2.2 million they recalled in 2005 when they recalled more cars than they built.
What's more, the current recall related to the Turdra trucks and Sequioa SUVs is similar to the same defect in 800,000 of the same vehicles in 2005.
Maybe somebody at Toyota isn't paying attention?
Hopefully the American consumers are. Recall numbers by domestic companies (GM and Ford) so far this year are as follows: Ford, 128,163; Chevrolet, 4,829; and Pontiac, 1,602. Chrysler - a German company masquerading as
an American company with plans to start importing cars from China in 2008 - has recalled 77,432 vehicles so far in 2007.
#2036 of 2059 Re: and another BTW [1offroader]
Mar 29, 2007 (3:57 am)
Hey there jreagan, how are you doing jreagan? Isn't it fun being jreagan? Since I became him yesterday, my life is so much better!!! Enjoy!!!
#2037 of 2059 Re: Let's turn the table... [belias]
Mar 29, 2007 (4:20 am)
DrFill, in reply to post #1998
You are unbeleiveable!!!
To clarify (even though it's a waste of my time and typing, because you only hear what you want to hear anyway) here goes:
a) I never said more hp and torque wasn't better. I simply stated that 26 more hp is insignificant in the grand scheme of things. 367hp vs 381hp? Big Deal!! Unless your drag racing. To steal a Toyota phrase..."It has no "real benefit" based on the fact that 367/375 is plenty of power for any 1/2 ton, and it gets better mileage and creates fewer emissions.
b)More towing? 300 lbs, ok, if you need to tow a 10,800lb trailer (not 10,500...10,800) then fine, the Tundra is more capable. But enjoy your Tundra for the year (or less) it will last pulling that much weight.
c) Not unconvinced the Tundra frame is good, I am CONVINCED the GM frame is BETTER.
d) How in the world would you know what websites I have and haven't visited? This staement is simply arrogant and ignorant!!! I had to read it twice just because I couldn't believe you would make such a statement.
e) Again, How in the world would you know what dealerships I have visited???
f) Since when do we need emperical values to have an opinion based on common sense. Oopps I used that phrase again. Now I will be accused of saying that common sense overrides Engineering knowledge...hahaha
g) Again, How do you know what I've seen in pics vs in person?
h) I agreed that 6 spds do have their advantages, but that is not saying that Toyota's 6 spd is "better" than GM's 4 spd or 6 spd. Anyone can make a 6 spd, 10 spd, or 100 spd tranny. What does that prove?
i) You are partially correct. I don't value biased comparisons from magazines that make most of their money from advertising dollars. I do value unbiased, official tests, it's you Toyota guys that don't, that is why you debunk the crash test results. Can you say "hypocrite"
j) Accelerating? yeah, to a point. But beyond the rate of these trucks, it is useless in the real world of truck use. Braking? yeah, VERY important, but the GM is just as good as the Tundra, better isn some tests I've seen. handling? Again, very important, and again, the GM is better.
k) See post #2035
l) I never said or implied any of this.
m) rear lockers are far superior in all slippery driving conditions, on and off road. End of story!!! The GMs have all of the same "safety" systems, and their airbags are better ("smarter").
Funny, I didn't see anyone take you up and "finish" as you stated.
PS I have sat in a Tundra DC more than once, and I have been to several dealerships, Toyota, GM (GMC and Chevy), Ford (my 2nd choice), but not Dodge (but I have looked at them elsewhere). So, please stop assuming and putting words in my mouth. And please, ENOUGH with the jreagan crap, it's getting old.
#2038 of 2059 Re: Lag time... [kdhspyder]
Mar 29, 2007 (4:25 am)
It's amazing how you never fail to shoot from the lip and never look up anything beforehand.
Do some research first.
Do you prefer to be possibly injured slightly more, somewhere from 1% to 19%, in a frontal collision?
Do you prefer to be possibly more dead in a rollover or side crash because there are no Side and Curtain airbags or Stability Control on your T900? Forget the T800's.
Your argument has holes. You can get stability control and full side curtain airbags (they are one in the GMT900's. Look it up) in the GMT900's. It's called choice and its available. It's not free in the Tundra as the feature is part of the higher MSRP the Tundra has against the lower end GMT900's. You can't get 5 start crash ratings on any Tundra. Amazing that you seem to argue how important safety features are yet you have no problem overlooking the fact that Toyota built a brand new truck and failed to get 5 star crash ratings.
#2039 of 2059 Re: Lag time... [1offroader]
Mar 29, 2007 (4:32 am)
Keep dreaming 1offroader... have you looked at "offroad" vehicles? Notice anything about their frames? Yeah, their C channels!! Look at the Jeep Wrangler -- open C channel used for decades from military to recreational vehicles all over the world.
It reminds me of those commercials for the "little giant" ladders where they explain that the ladder is "fully boxed" and show that a normal "c" channel ladder has a lot of flex in it and isn't as strong. But you know why they can show it flex? Because the guy "bending" the c-channel frame is doing it when there are NO cross-members on it!! Do they ever show the guy doing that with a regular ladder? Of course not, because they CAN'T do it!! The guy across the street from me drives Silverado 2500HD diesel trucks and he has about 6 different ladders on his truck frame... not a one is "fully boxed". The advantages are slim if anything at all and until somebody can post some massive problem showing that the c-channel frames are falling apart at the seams, I don't see this as something that is a good argument for the Silverado. The Tundra is fully boxed up front, has double or triple reinforced c-channel under the cab and an open c channel under the bed. It has been noted that having a c channel reduces NVH by almost every auto manufacturer -- cars use it because if the public was subjected to FBF frames in their cars they would be bounced all over the road! The ride is rough on it and is over-kill for its application. If vehicles that can tow 3 to 5 times as much as these 1/2 ton trailers don't use it and if cement trucks don't use it and if virtually every big rig and trailer doesn't use it, of what real "benefit" is it other than marketing hype? I don't see any construction guys using the "little giant" ladders anywhere. I've yet to see even see one of them in any construction site. It doesn't matter if they say it can hold 1200 lbs -- no 1200 lb guy is going to be climing a ladder to do anything useful and of what benefit does having 3 people on a 4 foot long ladder provide? Same thing with the trucks here. So the Chevy has a FBF frame. Nobody is claiming it is bad, but it has yet to be proven in terms of offering real benefits.
Oh, and sorry for not claiming you are jreagan. He does conveniently have many aliases because he is unable to leave this forum and actually thinks that all of his aliases (now using them interchangably) is actually fooling any of us.