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2059 messages, Last post on Mar 29, 2007 at 5:33 AM
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Replying to: jimsevers (Mar 28, 2007 5:56 pm) 
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Mar 28, 2007 5:33 am) kdh, all I can say is hogmuckledung to that silly statement. Anyone knows, or should know, that in a three-way tie for FIRST, the first three spots are taken, and the odd man out is forth, also known as LAAAAASSSSSTT. Dead last. Then there is the issue of side and curtain airbags (which you conveniently neglect to mention) and stability control. We haven't ignored it. My Silverado has traction control and side curtain airbags. And I paid for them, just like Tundra owners. No problem. Point-of-fact: No one on any forum here or elsewhere has been able to point out one single advantage to the FBF in the performance of the truck. None, Zero, Zilch. Once again, hogmuckledung. The fbf is superior whenever conditions are rough. A non-fbf is MUCH worse in torsion, meaning more of the flexing stresses are transferred to the body instead of being absorbed by the frame. Now, this is not a big deal over the short term, but if the flexing cycle is repeated thousands of times, as it is in my vehicles, it induces rattles and other nuisances. These are not fatal to the truck (or occupants), it's just annoying. But Toyota is doing it because it's cheaper. My older Toyotas were actually both superior in that regard than the new Tundra and Tacoma. But hey, if you never or rarely use the vehicle where the road is dirt or the pavement is uneven it may never be a problem. BTW, you conveniently failed to address my discussion of fuel economy. Is there a problem? I gave an honest, recent account of my experience with the 6.0L Silverado. Why doesn't a Tundra owner tell us about his/her mpg in a similar situation? Strange that there are basically NO posts about that tender subject. Keep in mind, my ENTIRE POST was just a response to belias' rhetorical excess wherein he claimed that the Tundra was as good or best in every category that makes a truck "good". I was just pointing out the error of his statement, that's all. You seem to be really sensitive about my reasoned, rational response to belias' unsupportable claim. Is that a problem? You continue to refer to "being in heaven" with the OnStar. I notice an obsession with that idea. Does anyone else notice that? Perhap an intervention is warranted? And finally, what is this weird obsession with jreagan and his 53 aliases? I want you to know, I'M really jreagan. MWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA! 1offroader
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Replying to: dave8697 (Mar 28, 2007 4:28 pm)
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Replying to: 1offroader (Mar 28, 2007 6:33 pm) The toyoyo salesfolk and non owner cheerleaders LIKE that one ! As you have prob. noticed there are NO actual tundra owners posting here.......... Most (if any) are posting over at tundrasolutions.com with their problems and other issues. Do you think they would dare complain here? They know they overpaid for a lesser truck and won't gain any sympathy here because our resident salesfolk here already GOT their money and don't need to hear from them anymore........... 
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The Autoweek daily drive blog is reporting their is a new $1000 rebate on the new tundra ! Slow sales eh?????????
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Mar 28, 2007 6:37 pm) Hate to disagree with you, blckislandguy, but the Japanese economy has been in the tank for more than a decade. Once, the world thought the Japanese had figured it all out, but that balloon burst big time many years ago. Even with all our social dysfunction, which I agree with BTW, the U.S. economy is so big and incredibly dynamic compared to Japan or any other country, there is simply no argument that the ones going to "the bank" are Americans by a ratio of about 10:1. 1offroader |
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I'm sad. I feel left out. Nobody has called me jreagan yet. Everyone else has been. What, I'm not good enough for you? What am I? Chopped liver????  Could someone PLEASE call me jreagan? It would make me feel a lot better, and not so...lonely. 1offroader
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This is a post from another site: Although we've barely passed mid-February, Toyota has already recalled 533,417 vehicles this year in a mix that, according to http://www.AutoRecalls.us, includes Tundras Sequoias and Camrys. That puts Toyota on track to recall more than the over 1.76 million autos they recalled in the U.S. and Japan in 2006, and the 2.2 million they recalled in 2005 when they recalled more cars than they built. What's more, the current recall related to the Turdra trucks and Sequioa SUVs is similar to the same defect in 800,000 of the same vehicles in 2005. Maybe somebody at Toyota isn't paying attention? Hopefully the American consumers are. Recall numbers by domestic companies (GM and Ford) so far this year are as follows: Ford, 128,163; Chevrolet, 4,829; and Pontiac, 1,602. Chrysler - a German company masquerading as an American company with plans to start importing cars from China in 2008 - has recalled 77,432 vehicles so far in 2007. 
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Replying to: 1offroader (Mar 28, 2007 9:15 pm) |
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Replying to: belias (Mar 28, 2007 12:32 pm) You are unbeleiveable!!! To clarify (even though it's a waste of my time and typing, because you only hear what you want to hear anyway) here goes: a) I never said more hp and torque wasn't better. I simply stated that 26 more hp is insignificant in the grand scheme of things. 367hp vs 381hp? Big Deal!! Unless your drag racing. To steal a Toyota phrase..."It has no "real benefit" based on the fact that 367/375 is plenty of power for any 1/2 ton, and it gets better mileage and creates fewer emissions. b)More towing? 300 lbs, ok, if you need to tow a 10,800lb trailer (not 10,500...10,800) then fine, the Tundra is more capable. But enjoy your Tundra for the year (or less) it will last pulling that much weight. c) Not unconvinced the Tundra frame is good, I am CONVINCED the GM frame is BETTER. d) How in the world would you know what websites I have and haven't visited? This staement is simply arrogant and ignorant!!! I had to read it twice just because I couldn't believe you would make such a statement. e) Again, How in the world would you know what dealerships I have visited??? f) Since when do we need emperical values to have an opinion based on common sense. Oopps I used that phrase again. Now I will be accused of saying that common sense overrides Engineering knowledge...hahaha g) Again, How do you know what I've seen in pics vs in person? h) I agreed that 6 spds do have their advantages, but that is not saying that Toyota's 6 spd is "better" than GM's 4 spd or 6 spd. Anyone can make a 6 spd, 10 spd, or 100 spd tranny. What does that prove? i) You are partially correct. I don't value biased comparisons from magazines that make most of their money from advertising dollars. I do value unbiased, official tests, it's you Toyota guys that don't, that is why you debunk the crash test results. Can you say "hypocrite" j) Accelerating? yeah, to a point. But beyond the rate of these trucks, it is useless in the real world of truck use. Braking? yeah, VERY important, but the GM is just as good as the Tundra, better isn some tests I've seen. handling? Again, very important, and again, the GM is better. k) See post #2035 l) I never said or implied any of this. m) rear lockers are far superior in all slippery driving conditions, on and off road. End of story!!! The GMs have all of the same "safety" systems, and their airbags are better ("smarter"). Funny, I didn't see anyone take you up and "finish" as you stated. PS I have sat in a Tundra DC more than once, and I have been to several dealerships, Toyota, GM (GMC and Chevy), Ford (my 2nd choice), but not Dodge (but I have looked at them elsewhere). So, please stop assuming and putting words in my mouth. And please, ENOUGH with the jreagan crap, it's getting old. |
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