Last post on Mar 29, 2007 at 5:33 AM
You are in the Toyota Tundra
What is this discussion about?
Toyota Tundra, Chevrolet Silverado 1500, Truck
#2020 of 2059 Re: Lag time... [kdhspyder]
Mar 28, 2007 (5:50 pm)
OOOOhhhh....We are now worthy, kdhspyder "Granted" us the benefit. Let us celebrate!!! What qualifies you to grant any benefits? Only to turn it around and say it's "too stiff"? Bone Jarring? c'mon now, be real. Were talking about the best riding trucks on the planet for the past several decades. And let's not talk about rattles...Toyotas are all rattletraps.
#2021 of 2059 Re: Lag time... [jimsevers]
Mar 28, 2007 (5:50 pm)
Interesting that you had to pay for them.
The side/curtain airbag and stability contro issue is far more important than the 4 vs 5 stars. Let's just keep the subject in perspective.
Whenever anyone brings up the NHTSA test on one Reg Cab model I only ask why GM and Ford don't even offer S/C airbags and stability control on all their Reg Cab models.
The level of risks aren't nearly the same. So by 2010 the the others will finally reach the safety level of the Tundra. I accept that.
#2022 of 2059 Re: Lag time... [jimsevers]
Mar 28, 2007 (5:53 pm)
'Scuse please. The best riding trucks on the planet for the past several decades had open C-channel frames.
Let's wait several years to see how these new structures react.
#2023 of 2059 Re: Satisfied with my Silverado [dave8697]
Mar 28, 2007 (5:56 pm)
>They brought us Lexus at below cost 15 years ago. Foot in the door.
Does anyone remember the dumping era we went through? Products sold in this country for below cost just to undercut the US companies who theen went out of business leaving the market for ....
#2024 of 2059 Re: Lag time... [kdhspyder]
Mar 28, 2007 (5:56 pm)
And Toyota gives them away for free?? Wow, impressive. Hey, wanna buy some "land" in Florida?
By 2010, the Tundra probably will be dead and buried, right next to the T100.
#2025 of 2059 Re: Lag time... [kdhspyder]
Mar 28, 2007 (5:58 pm)
That's right, and now their even better with newer, higher tech frames. You don't think these frames were engineered? They keep getting better and better my friend, not worse. Someday, maybe the Tundra will follow suit.
#2026 of 2059 Re: Lag time... [kdhspyder]
Mar 28, 2007 (6:28 pm)
kdh... i know you sell toyota's, but be real. how many collisions are side vs front/back? why were the first standards focused on the front/rear bumpers?
#2027 of 2059 Re: Satisfied with my Silverado [dreasdad]
Mar 28, 2007 (6:29 pm)
Dave may have spoken too plainly but I think we can all agree that Japanese corporations are run in an extreme top down manner and most important decisions are made back at home. When the Nissan Armada had assembly problems in MS, they didn't fly in engineers and senior managers from Dublin to fix the problem. Speaking of highly authoritarian, top down management, what other society has "salarymen", many of whom literally work themselves to death every year?
#2028 of 2059 Re: Lag time... [jimsevers]
Mar 28, 2007 (6:31 pm)
I think GM and FORD will be buried long before Toyota. Chrysler is almost there and GM and Ford arent far behind. I am sure pissed off UAW workers building trucks with bankrupt Delphi sourced parts will set the quality charts on fire
#2029 of 2059 Re: Lag time... [kdhspyder]
Mar 28, 2007 (6:33 pm)
Dead last or 2nd. Your personal pov.
kdh, all I can say is hogmuckledung to that silly statement. Anyone knows, or should know, that in a three-way tie for FIRST, the first three spots are taken, and the odd man out is forth, also known as LAAAAASSSSSTT. Dead last.
Then there is the issue of side and curtain airbags (which you conveniently neglect to mention) and stability control.
We haven't ignored it. My Silverado has traction control and side curtain airbags. And I paid for them, just like Tundra owners. No problem.
Point-of-fact: No one on any forum here or elsewhere has been able to point out one single advantage to the FBF in the performance of the truck. None, Zero, Zilch.
Once again, hogmuckledung. The fbf is superior whenever conditions are rough. A non-fbf is MUCH worse in torsion, meaning more of the flexing stresses are transferred to the body instead of being absorbed by the frame. Now, this is not a big deal over the short term, but if the flexing cycle is repeated thousands of times, as it is in my vehicles, it induces rattles and other nuisances. These are not fatal to the truck (or occupants), it's just annoying. But Toyota is doing it because it's cheaper. My older Toyotas were actually both superior in that regard than the new Tundra and Tacoma. But hey, if you never or rarely use the vehicle where the road is dirt or the pavement is uneven it may never be a problem.
BTW, you conveniently failed to address my discussion of fuel economy. Is there a problem? I gave an honest, recent account of my experience with the 6.0L Silverado. Why doesn't a Tundra owner tell us about his/her mpg in a similar situation? Strange that there are basically NO posts about that tender subject.
Keep in mind, my ENTIRE POST was just a response to belias' rhetorical excess wherein he claimed that the Tundra was as good or best in every category that makes a truck "good". I was just pointing out the error of his statement, that's all. You seem to be really sensitive about my reasoned, rational response to belias' unsupportable claim. Is that a problem?
You continue to refer to "being in heaven" with the OnStar. I notice an obsession with that idea. Does anyone else notice that? Perhap an intervention is warranted?
And finally, what is this weird obsession with jreagan and his 53 aliases?
I want you to know, I'M really jreagan. MWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!