Last post on Mar 29, 2007 at 5:33 AM
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Toyota Tundra, Chevrolet Silverado 1500, Truck
#2010 of 2059 Re: Satisfied with my Silverado [dave8697]
Mar 28, 2007 (4:44 pm)
Oh boy, another can of worms has been opened, I can hardly wait to hear (read) the responses.
PS Awesome capabilities alone do not make a great truck. It's only one ingredient, to leave out the other ingredients leaves the recipe incomplete.
#2011 of 2059 Re: Lag time... [geo9]
Mar 28, 2007 (4:58 pm)
I asked earlier if the Toyo transmissions in trucks are having problems like the Camry trannies? Maybe a Toyota salesman can answer here?
I realize sales jobs are to make people feel they need what's being sold rather than needing only the ability of the truck they need so that they overbuy. But all this verbage is becoming wearing. It's like hearing about a passenger car that the fanmags love because it does 10 Gs on the skid pad and can do 0-60 in 4 seconds? Who uses that to commute downtown Philly to work and back and an occasional trip to Pittsburg?
I want real vehicles that do well for the application of typical, real drivers in the real world. Most pickups I see are driven to and from a work with a tie and dress clothes or high heels for the ladies. They don't need 5.7 and 6 speed. For some reason they choose to drive a pickup.
#2012 of 2059 You guys are right!
Mar 28, 2007 (5:13 pm)
All of you!
Toyota, and the Tundra, are wrong, and you are right.
The Tundra should not have redesigned the truck, and the current Tundra is what Toyota, and America needs, a weaker, more genteel representative.
It should be car-like, and ride nice, and not have too much power, because power really isn't what's important in a pick-up anyway.
Smaller brakes and less towing would be preferable.
And please don't give me a choice of a big back seat, or the biggest back seat, because then I might lose 3 inches of beg length, and then the truck will be worthless.
And why would you charge less than $30k for the strongest truck in the class? A RC 5.7 for $25k? What? That's dumb!! These guys are dopes! What the h$%# is that about? Put that on the Limited model only, so you could really a $40k truck worthwhile! Wet behind the ears!
And since Toyota trucks have such a reputation for rattling and being old pieces of junk, let's do what eevrybody else does to fix the chronic problems with their trucks! Because Toyota obviously doesn't know what they-re doing, and everybody else knows much better, and have been using better frames for all of 5 years now.
And since Toyota can't build a HD model, the Tundra doesn't really count because nobody buys a half-ton to be strong, or tow, or carry weight, or anything else but pack with groceries.
Wheels are too big, brakes are too big, buttons are too big.
Give me a Colorado before I shot myself! Please save me from sorry excuses for trucks like Toyota Tundra.
Someday Toyota will get it's act together and build a decent full-sized truck. Someday.
#2013 of 2059 Re: Lag time... [geo9]
Mar 28, 2007 (5:29 pm)
It's amazing how you never fail to shoot from the lip and never look up anything beforehand.
Do some research first.
Do you prefer to be possibly injured slightly more, somewhere from 1% to 19%, in a frontal collision?
Do you prefer to be possibly more dead in a rollover or side crash because there are no Side and Curtain airbags or Stability Control on your T900? Forget the T800's.
#2014 of 2059 Re: Lag time... [jimsevers]
Mar 28, 2007 (5:36 pm)
Yes, at full speed and several screaming stops. Both of them, as a matter of fact all 5 competitors.
1500# in the bed and a 4500# trailer.
I'm suggessting that the 'common knowledge' about trucks may be about to change. Things that a 1/2 ton never could be considered to do might from now onward be considered.
From a commercial pov some of the lighter diesel work might now be considered for the new generation 1/2 tonners...but at a $5000-$8000 discount. We'll see.
#2015 of 2059 Re: Let's turn the table... [erich1965]
Mar 28, 2007 (5:37 pm)
eventhough it is probably news to most posters, that is good advice.
a dually is better when hauling something that outweighs the tow vehicle by a factor of 2.
#2016 of 2059 Re: Lag time... [pmusce]
Mar 28, 2007 (5:39 pm)
I will grant the controlled ride 'benefit' but such a stiff structure might also be too stiff for the rest of the truck. It could very well be bone jarring to the riders and it could very well create rattles and loosening in the rest of the cab becase the base has no 'give'.
We'll have to see.
#2017 of 2059 Re: Satisfied with my Silverado [dave8697]
Mar 28, 2007 (5:40 pm)
Dave, you don't know a thing about what you are talking about. There are many ,many manager and top people working for Toyota who are not japanese. Jim Press is Presidnet of North America Toyota just for starters and he did not change his name. Toyota has gotten whrere it has even though they have been taxed twice as much as the Detroit 3 and held back from selling cars at Every turn.
#2018 of 2059 Re: Lag time... [kdhspyder]
Mar 28, 2007 (5:41 pm)
Wow kdh, you really like to dwell on this whole side airbag thing, don't you? Is that all you've got? Funny, my GM has side curtain airbags, because I chose to buy them. Someday soon, 2010 at the very latest, ALL vehicles will have them, then what are you going to choose to dwell upon? How come the human race still exists today since side airbags are new and we drove all those years without them, shouldn't we all be dead and trying to call Onstar from heaven? Give it up already. I can hardly wait for the rest of the safety tests to come out, so I can hear even more excuses for why the Tundra did so poorly, especially after hearing that they are going to do so much better "next time around". We'll see...
#2019 of 2059 Re: Satisfied with my Silverado [dave8697]
Mar 28, 2007 (5:44 pm)
Dave's rant with no data to support it is noted. Common misconception though.