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Pickups Toyota Tundra Toyota Tundra vs. Chevrolet Silverado 
2059 messages, Last post on Mar 29, 2007 at 5:33 AM
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The point of my post then.  Sorry you missed it. It was good!  DrFill |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Mar 28, 2007 9:28 am)
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Replying to: motownusa (Mar 28, 2007 10:16 am) Better braking? No. The Silverado has outbraked the Tundra in both the C&D and Motor Trend tests. Higher Towing Capacity? Sure, if you ignore the GMT900 heavy duty models. What about the fact that the GMT900's generally have higher payload capacity than the Tundra? 6 speed vs 4 speed auto - Toyota only has the 6 speed with the 5.7. They have a 5 speed with the 4.7 and the V6. GM will sell more 6 speed 1/2 tons in 2008 than Toyota. |
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Replying to: motownusa (Mar 28, 2007 11:25 am) What point are you making? GM is growing in the full size pickup market (even though they are already the biggest). This is not the mid-size of small car market. GM rules the full size truck market and the Tundra is not going to change that.
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Replying to: pmusce (Mar 28, 2007 3:45 pm)
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| Is anyone posting here an engineer for Toyota? I doubt it. Full size trucks don't fit in their country and drink too much gas. They brought us Lexus at below cost 15 years ago. Foot in the door. They are colonizing us and finishing financially what they started in 1941. They do not allow Americans to manage or engineer in their business. They bring their sub tier suppliers and their top paid employees with them from japan. So even sub tier engineering is done in Japan or by japanese living here. Anything small and therefore economically shippable from Japan is, especially if it is dollar value intensive. I don't like the very very low glass ceiling for Americans working for the Japanese companies in America. A majority of all American spent money for Japanese vehicles goes back to Japan. These forums are full of those that say they now have to buy a Toyota because something about it is better than something on the American truck. The American truck today is 10 times better than the Toyota truck of ten years ago. Remember how back then they needed the japanese truck because it was better in some way compared to Chevy? Does anyone know anyone who is more than an assembly worker or foreman of assembly workers in a Toyota plant? When we all are buying the Toyota trucks and none of us are buying the Chevy trucks anymore we will somehow be happy because all GM's engineers are now Toyota assembly line workers. Colonizing lets you take another places raw materials and labor and make something to sell there, dump all pollution and consume energy there, and then send boatloads of money back to the mother country. So the Tundra has some awesome capabilities. Should I use that as the decider of passing on all the perfectly good American trucks and help ruin every other aspect of my country? | |
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Replying to: dave8697 (Mar 28, 2007 4:28 pm) PS Awesome capabilities alone do not make a great truck. It's only one ingredient, to leave out the other ingredients leaves the recipe incomplete. |
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Replying to: geo9 (Mar 28, 2007 1:58 pm) I realize sales jobs are to make people feel they need what's being sold rather than needing only the ability of the truck they need so that they overbuy. But all this verbage is becoming wearing. It's like hearing about a passenger car that the fanmags love because it does 10 Gs on the skid pad and can do 0-60 in 4 seconds? Who uses that to commute downtown Philly to work and back and an occasional trip to Pittsburg? I want real vehicles that do well for the application of typical, real drivers in the real world. Most pickups I see are driven to and from a work with a tie and dress clothes or high heels for the ladies. They don't need 5.7 and 6 speed. For some reason they choose to drive a pickup. |
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All of you!  Toyota, and the Tundra, are wrong, and you are right. The Tundra should not have redesigned the truck, and the current Tundra is what Toyota, and America needs, a weaker, more genteel representative. It should be car-like, and ride nice, and not have too much power, because power really isn't what's important in a pick-up anyway. Smaller brakes and less towing would be preferable. And please don't give me a choice of a big back seat, or the biggest back seat, because then I might lose 3 inches of beg length, and then the truck will be worthless. And why would you charge less than $30k for the strongest truck in the class? A RC 5.7 for $25k? What? That's dumb!! These guys are dopes! What the h$%# is that about? Put that on the Limited model only, so you could really a $40k truck worthwhile! Wet behind the ears!  And since Toyota trucks have such a reputation for rattling and being old pieces of junk, let's do what eevrybody else does to fix the chronic problems with their trucks! Because Toyota obviously doesn't know what they-re doing, and everybody else knows much better, and have been using better frames for all of 5 years now. And since Toyota can't build a HD model, the Tundra doesn't really count because nobody buys a half-ton to be strong, or tow, or carry weight, or anything else but pack with groceries. Wheels are too big, brakes are too big, buttons are too big. Give me a Colorado before I shot myself! Please save me from sorry excuses for trucks like Toyota Tundra. Someday Toyota will get it's act together and build a decent full-sized truck. Someday.  DrFill |
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Replying to: geo9 (Mar 28, 2007 1:58 pm) Do some research first. Hint: ALSD Do you prefer to be possibly injured slightly more, somewhere from 1% to 19%, in a frontal collision? OR Do you prefer to be possibly more dead in a rollover or side crash because there are no Side and Curtain airbags or Stability Control on your T900? Forget the T800's.
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