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#21 of 2059 KG!! by bamatundra May 14, 2002 (5:23 pm)
KG: "what are you saying?there are worse vehicles than the 25 worst?"   Now you are getting it!!! - and you are driving it. Man! it sure took a long time to teach the silverado owners this simple fact.
#22 of 2059 Worse than the worst? by kg11 May 14, 2002 (5:30 pm)
If you lack the ability to reason,don't try it.
#23 of 2059 KG by bamatundra May 14, 2002 (5:47 pm)
What are you saying - that GM vehicles exist in the "twilight zone"? They are on some non-existent "Chevy" list? Why would this be? You are not making a lot of sense here.   If there is a list of 25 vehicles, doesn't it make sense that the Chev would be below the bottom of the list? I am having a hard time realizing your problem with accepting this simple fact.
#25 of 2059 truthteller by kg11 May 14, 2002 (7:14 pm)
does your '52 chevy still have the original engine?How about the tranny?Springs?Punkin?Does it have brakes?Is it still 6 volt?Can it be driven on public streets?Does it have the original head gasket?Is it rust free?   Just curious what a truck that's worked 50 years looks and runs like.   kip Good luck my friend
#27 of 2059 TT by bamatundra May 14, 2002 (8:09 pm)
While I am sure that the '52 chev you own is far better quality, reliability and capability than the new-fangled shakerados - what does this say about new Chevs? A '52 is a better truck?   Wow! - I am amazed a so called GM owner would admit this.   Good Luck on this one now!
#28 of 2059 Lol .... by losangelesemt May 14, 2002 (9:37 pm)
Truthteller ... always around to share some good ole farm wisdom.   Guys I dont know what the heck all the fuss is about the 25 best and worst list, cause I havent read any of the posts above. Pretty simple though right ... if a car doesnt appear on worst list then its obviously ranked better and if it didnt appear on best list, then it obviously ranks poorer right ??? Or in other words .. somewhere in the middle.   BTW ... its a sad day when the beloved Toyota Tundra Problems thread is laid to rest lol. Let's see how much we have learned in this one.
#29 of 2059 Ryanbab by twowheeler May 14, 2002 (9:38 pm)
I applaud CR for coming forth about the bunk cheapo trinkets that they gave to 15,000 new subscribers, and issuing a defect notice on the items, instead of trying to hide it (apparently a classic case of the marketing department not communicating with the engineering department). They also offered an additional 6 months free subscription to the affected subscribers.   This clearly shows that the organization has quite a bit of integrity (i.e. being able to admit a mistake, trying to mitigate the mistake, then offering apologies and a token of compensation for the mistake). Unlike some other companies that we (or certain individuals on this thread) know all too well, they did the right thing. They are a very credible organization - Most product evaluations that they perform are as objective as you can get. Of course, they are not perfect, but they have more hits than misses. Just ask Oby on this. He bought a Packard Bell computer based their recommendation. That was probably a miss, but Oby, that PB wasn't the highest recommended model-it was mid-range in the scores.   Regarding Tundra vs. GM Sliverado: CR rates the Tundra as "recommended" and gives it a big red cherry (highest)rating. The GM product gets a big black mark (lowest score)for reliability and CR, although states that the GM is a good performing truck, cannot recommend it because of its poor reliability.   On a different note, in the current Car and Driver mag (June issue), they did a long term test of a 6 liter 2001 GMC Sierra C3 AWD. They lightly reported on several "nits" that they experienced with the truck (so as not to piss off GM too much). Transmission quirks, "clicking"/"ticking" (knocking?) from the engine on cold starts that the Dealer service techs "weren't able to isolate and quell." Oil consumption of 3 quarts in 40,000 miles (I'm not sure if this is excessive?) and the "check oil" light would flash on ocassionally. Does CR and C&D have something in common here regarding GM products ? Hmmm....
#30 of 2059 Guys, the Silverado/Sierra by h0udini May 14, 2002 (9:58 pm)
could be a great truck if it had better reliability and quality associated with it. But that's just not the case, and it's the painful truth. CR can't recommend it, Edmunds thrashed it in their long term review, and the internet is saturated with GMC lemon websites and problem threads. And the funny thing is all these sources seem to be consistent and similar. There's nothing coincidental or anectodal about GMCs poor ratings.   And to make matters worse, we have the issue of GMC's diesel engines. They're the only manufacturer that screwed up royally with their diesels and have had to change their entire diesel engine line-up. I can't tell you exactly how long Dodge has used their Cummins, or how long Ford has used their PSD, but we all know it's been a long time and they're proven, damn good engines. Chevy is the only manufacturer of the Big 3 that developed a horrible diesel, discontinued it, then sought the assistance of a Japanese (though 49% owned by GMC) manufacturer. Such a track record doesn't reflect favorably upon GMC, no doubt.   Either way you go with GM, gas or diesel, you're taking a bigger gamble than with Dodge (known for bad trannys, except the manual) or especially Ford. Their diesel offering isn't nearly as tried and proven as Dodge's or Ford's, and their gassers knock like diesels.   If I needed a 1/2 ton truck right now, the Tundra would be a viable option, especially over the GMC 1/2 tons. Workability means nothing if the reliability isn't there. But the cold, hard truth is if you're going to be towing 6000lbs+, even if the 1/2 tons are advertised as being able to do so, you simply should go to a 3/4 ton. That's what I did, and I don't regret if for a second. In short, I wouldn't attempt to try anything with a Silverado that I wouldn't also expect a Tundra to do.   And as far as this nonsense goes about the "lemon-list" from attorneys Kimmel and Silverman, what can I say? The GMC folks are concentrating all their efforts on this list, as it's the only thing they've found in their favor. But really, what's the more creditable source? Two lawyers advertising online trying to make a buck, or thousands of disgruntled GMC customers participating in online GMC lemon websites?

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