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2059 messages, Last post on Mar 29, 2007 at 5:33 AM
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Replying to: erich1965 (Mar 28, 2007 8:08 am) Dump trucks don't used AISC standard sections either for their frames. But since the dimensions for the tundra and GM frame is not public knowledge, I used readily available info as an example that a C-channel is stronger pound for pound for weight carrying than a box section. For the same amount of steel, a C-section is much stronger than a box section in bending. Go and ask any engineer works in structures/frame design and they will tell you this. But a box section is stronger in torsion. If you understood "basic engineering principles" you would know this. GM 2500 and 3500 use C-channel frames out back because they are stronger pound for pound for weight carrying duties. Same with Ford Super Duty. Same with every heavy duty truck. These trucks are engineered as well. They don't just throw as much steel in their frame as possible. The engineers will design the strongest but as light as possible frame for the job required of it.
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Replying to: erich1965 (Mar 28, 2007 12:19 pm) This may have been the 'common knowledge' in the past....but half-ton pickups should only be able to carry 'half a ton'. Today that's a Tacoma or Dakota or Frontier. Being rooted in the past may cause you ( or a company ) to be left standing still as the world rushes past. What if the technology has developed to the point where half-tonners can carry 2000# or tow 10000# regularly? This may be the revolutionary effect of the Tundra to which Edmunds refers when it gave the Tundra its 'Most Signifcant' award. Despite the 'common knowledge' the new trucks might be impinging on the domain of the HD's. Time will tell. |
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Replying to: titancrew (Mar 28, 2007 12:54 pm) NON owners fail to point out: That "wonderkind" 6 speed trans. is ONLY avail. with the 5.7 engine ! Why no actual limited slip (posi, trac. loc. etc.) rear avail. ? Why the toyota zealots forget the "lesser" frontal crash test ratings????????/ And the world turns................ 
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Replying to: geo9 (Mar 28, 2007 1:58 pm) kdhspyder, Ever tow anything with either of these trucks? Anything near 10K lbs? I don't care if you put 800hp under one of these hoods, the trucks are not heavy enough for this kind of a load on any regular basis. I'm afraid erich1965 is right about this one. "1/2 ton" never meant payload, it referred to axle size. DrFill, how are your fingers? Carpal Tunnel setting in yet? Chill out dude. I read all of today's posts and I don't see half of those claims you said he made.
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The point of my post then.  Sorry you missed it. It was good!  DrFill |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Mar 28, 2007 9:28 am)
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Replying to: motownusa (Mar 28, 2007 10:16 am) Better braking? No. The Silverado has outbraked the Tundra in both the C&D and Motor Trend tests. Higher Towing Capacity? Sure, if you ignore the GMT900 heavy duty models. What about the fact that the GMT900's generally have higher payload capacity than the Tundra? 6 speed vs 4 speed auto - Toyota only has the 6 speed with the 5.7. They have a 5 speed with the 4.7 and the V6. GM will sell more 6 speed 1/2 tons in 2008 than Toyota. |
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Replying to: motownusa (Mar 28, 2007 11:25 am) What point are you making? GM is growing in the full size pickup market (even though they are already the biggest). This is not the mid-size of small car market. GM rules the full size truck market and the Tundra is not going to change that.
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Replying to: pmusce (Mar 28, 2007 3:45 pm)
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| Is anyone posting here an engineer for Toyota? I doubt it. Full size trucks don't fit in their country and drink too much gas. They brought us Lexus at below cost 15 years ago. Foot in the door. They are colonizing us and finishing financially what they started in 1941. They do not allow Americans to manage or engineer in their business. They bring their sub tier suppliers and their top paid employees with them from japan. So even sub tier engineering is done in Japan or by japanese living here. Anything small and therefore economically shippable from Japan is, especially if it is dollar value intensive. I don't like the very very low glass ceiling for Americans working for the Japanese companies in America. A majority of all American spent money for Japanese vehicles goes back to Japan. These forums are full of those that say they now have to buy a Toyota because something about it is better than something on the American truck. The American truck today is 10 times better than the Toyota truck of ten years ago. Remember how back then they needed the japanese truck because it was better in some way compared to Chevy? Does anyone know anyone who is more than an assembly worker or foreman of assembly workers in a Toyota plant? When we all are buying the Toyota trucks and none of us are buying the Chevy trucks anymore we will somehow be happy because all GM's engineers are now Toyota assembly line workers. Colonizing lets you take another places raw materials and labor and make something to sell there, dump all pollution and consume energy there, and then send boatloads of money back to the mother country. So the Tundra has some awesome capabilities. Should I use that as the decider of passing on all the perfectly good American trucks and help ruin every other aspect of my country? | |
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