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2059 messages, Last post on Mar 29, 2007 at 5:33 AM
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Mar 28, 2007 11:30 am) Are you saying the GM's don't have enough power to merge safely, pass or pull? haha, yeah, right. When is the last time you floored it to merge or pass? Even while towing? Oh, and wrong again, GM will not be equal to Toyota's powertrain capability soon, they will be ABOVE it. Not so unless you happen to order one of the 4 cab/chassis configurations where the T900's are close to the Tundra. Otherwise the capacity is about 2000# less. True, but you buy/order based on your needs, so this is a moot point. Lower low and a higher high. Again the GM's will be up to the Tundra level pretty soon. Higher high I'll agree with, but what are the 1st gear ratios? Again, moot point in the not-so-long run, GMs are here and coming fast. |
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Replying to: erich1965 (Mar 28, 2007 11:44 am) B) Well those that want maximum towing in say a Reg Cab are left out in the cold. Ditto a LB Ext Cab - out in the cold. But you're right the buyers will buy what they need so if it's a RC and 10000# towing they won't be buying a GM. C) Ramp up on the 6 spds?
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what he's saying is things like acceleration, merging, towing, gear selection, economy, come a little easier for the Tundra than the competition. When you can do things a little easier, a little faster, a little cheaper, usually means you're a little better.  So your point is if I spent $35-40k for a Denali, or wait a year or two, GM will provide a competitive engine? And side airbags, stabilitrac, and a 6-speed? What if my budget is $30k? How much will I have to settle for? I can get all of those features on a Tundra for close to $25k! I'm sure GM will get there, but the point is they're not there unless you leave the heart of the market behind. Tundra LTD and Denali are not fair representatives of each model. DrFill
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Replying to: erich1965 (Mar 28, 2007 9:45 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Mar 28, 2007 11:56 am) Yep, 6 spd production is being ramped up, and the Denali doesn't get the max towing pkg because it is AWD, the 1/2 tons won't be. The TM nanny you speak of is a non-factor. It has zero effect on towing capacity. You either refuse to educate yourself on the subject or choose to consider this a negative, when in reality, it is a technological advantage which is part of the reason these trucks' exhaust is cleaner than the air in LA. GM is and always will be the leader in low-emissions in the big V8 truck segment for reasons such as this. We only have one planet. GM knows people who want a RC and and want to tow 10K+ lbs will be smart enough to buy a HD.
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Replying to: blufz1 (Mar 28, 2007 12:18 pm)
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Replying to: drfill (Mar 28, 2007 11:56 am) |
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Replying to: erich1965 (Mar 28, 2007 11:06 am) a) you're unconvinced that more hp and torque is better b) you're unconvinced that more towing is better c) you're unconvinced that the Tundra's frame is good d) you have yet to visit the Toyota web site to get any info e) you have yet to visit a Toyota dealership to see the Tundra f) you don't use emperical values for calculations, just your "opinion" as fact instead of actual numbers g) you still believe the interior of the Chevy is better than the Tundra even though all you've seen of the latter are online pictures at best h) you have little understanding of transmissions or even a plausible argument for them (i.e. you claim that a 6-speed is not better than a 4-speed and then in the same breath say that GM's 6-speed will be coming out -- so why if it is not better? just stick with the 4 speed -- makes no sense) i) you don't value any review that gives favorable treatment to the Tundra even when they are more credible (i.e. mag reviews from trucking web-sites, towing web-sites, and quality/reliability web-sites such as JD Powers, CR, and even government statistics web sites) though apparently a company web site that reviews "cars" is more credible in your estimation j) you don't think that acceleration, braking, or handling have anything to do with getting a good truck k) you ignore 30 years worth of numerous recalls on the Silverado; even when the Tundra was around, their were less recalls for each year in comparison with the Silverado l) apparently your understanding of airbags seems to suggest that two upfront are enough though head-on collisions account for less than 2% of accidents and side airbags and side-curtain airbags are not as important to you even though most of the rest of the accidents are off-set front end collisions, rollovers, t-bones, and rear-end collisions. m) you keep repeating rear lockers as beneficial to lsds though you seem to think that chevy's abs and trac control somehow is the same as all 5 of the Star safety systems on the Tundra. ... How much more do you want me to state here? I can leave this for others to finish if they want to add more here, but you've repeated the same things using the same logic and with the same uninformed state of mind (i.e. you refuse to go to Toyota's web site or see the truck in person). Heck, in other Toyota forums, a good percentage of the actual buyers are disgruntled GM and Ford truck owners. At least they looked to see. I have, and many of the other Toyota defenders here have as well. But for me it isn't personal if you don't want one. I could care less. But trying to convince me based on your uninformed illogical criteria is just not going to happen. As another poster put it... we've heard it all before.
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Replying to: erich1965 (Mar 28, 2007 12:21 pm) |
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Replying to: erich1965 (Mar 28, 2007 8:08 am) Dump trucks don't used AISC standard sections either for their frames. But since the dimensions for the tundra and GM frame is not public knowledge, I used readily available info as an example that a C-channel is stronger pound for pound for weight carrying than a box section. For the same amount of steel, a C-section is much stronger than a box section in bending. Go and ask any engineer works in structures/frame design and they will tell you this. But a box section is stronger in torsion. If you understood "basic engineering principles" you would know this. GM 2500 and 3500 use C-channel frames out back because they are stronger pound for pound for weight carrying duties. Same with Ford Super Duty. Same with every heavy duty truck. These trucks are engineered as well. They don't just throw as much steel in their frame as possible. The engineers will design the strongest but as light as possible frame for the job required of it.
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