Last post on Mar 29, 2007 at 5:33 AM
You are in the Toyota Tundra
What is this discussion about?
Toyota Tundra, Chevrolet Silverado 1500, Truck
#1976 of 2059 Re: Let's turn the table... [erich1965]
Mar 28, 2007 (10:01 am)
You're assuming that somebody here argued that Toyota's frame was better than Chevy's... nobody argued that. The Chevy guys have been arguing the opposite and trying somehow to make this relevant to the discussion. But they are unable to make any real benefit from it. For us supposed "Tundra" people that you -- pardon me "jreagan" -- insinuate we are, we just don't see it as an issue since riding, handling, towing, hauling are all better or at least comparable to the Chevy's and more imporantly even better than the Fords and Dodges that do have a FBF. So, it doesn't seem like a good argument for Chevy guys to make.
As far as more capable is concerned, just read the last ~2000 posts on this subject, it has been exhausted dozens of times. I'm sure kdhspyder and dr. fill would agree that we're pretty tired of doing all the spec hunting for you guys. Go to toyota.com and go take a test drive or at least look at the vehicles so you know what you up against.
#1977 of 2059 Re: Lag time... [erich1965]
Mar 28, 2007 (10:03 am)
I'm not paranoid about this at all... I don't care, but it is fun to have you back on the forum again. Your MO is too easy to spot...
#1978 of 2059 Re: Let's turn the table... [erich1965]
Mar 28, 2007 (10:16 am)
Better accleration, better braking, higher towing capacity, 6 speed vs 4 speed auto. I am getting the feeling that GM fans are getting a bit paranoid. Let us face it. Full size pickup is all GM and FORD has left. They have pretty much conceded all the other markets to the Japanese. If they lose the full size truck market they are finished as an automobile company.
#1979 of 2059 Re: Lag time... [belias]
Mar 28, 2007 (10:23 am)
Whatever dude, I can be whomever you want me to be. You choose.
#1980 of 2059 Re: Let's turn the table... [motownusa]
Mar 28, 2007 (10:29 am)
I said "real-world"..but here goes...
And this is a benefit how? (This is a truck forum, not a Corvette forum). Oh, and is it better than the 6.2l with 400+ hp and 417 lb-ft of torque available in the Denali and soon-to-be available in the Sierra and Silvy.
Not true, not on all of the tests I've seen.
higher towing capacity
10,800 vs 10,500??? Ok, if you consider 300 lbs at a ridiculously high rating for a 1/2 ton an advantage, more power to ya.
6 speed vs 4 speed auto
How is this better? And even if it is, which it very well may be. The GM's have it available also on a limited basis, full scale next year. So, this is a very short term "advantage" if you insist it is an advantage. I'll give ya this one for now.
My consensus...BOTH trucks are equally "capable" as far as work goes. but the GMs are better built, classier, better interiors, more features (rear Locking Diff, Rainsense wipers, heated Washer fluid, Onstar, Electrochromic mirrors, remote start....etc, etc). More comfortable seats and all this for less $$$
As for your last comment...yeah, right, your dreaming.
#1981 of 2059 Re: Let's turn the table... [erich1965]
Mar 28, 2007 (10:45 am)
Does anybody else need convincing now? kdhspyder and dr.fill I'm sure will concur here. Exact same arguments given as his previous dozen other aliases given here... please jreagan, at least come up with something new for your arguments. We've recycled these same arguments dozens of times. You've been kicked off for trolling on Toyota forums. Why don't you just join your GM buddies in their forums and talk praises about your new GMC rigs? How is that 2007 Sierra 4x4 doing? Did it arrive yet?
I saw that Onstar is dumping millions of customers because they are turning off analog transmissions! LOL, yeah... that is going to keep people loyal to GM. Sheesh, now all those vehicles can't even claim their Onstar systems as an asset. I'm sure a "digital" solution will be found but will bet GM will make good coin on the retrofit... it is that attitude that I resented most when I had my Chevy... as soon as I bought it and they had my money, I was made to feel that my car was inferior to everything else that they had. I don't know how they thought this would make me a return buyer. I doubt fans of Onstar will be feeling the same about GM after this...
#1982 of 2059 Re: Let's turn the table... [erich1965]
Mar 28, 2007 (10:47 am)
I know you are a fan of Bankrupt Motors but Toyota wins every objective test; checkout the video that compares the Tundra with the competition.
#1983 of 2059 OnStar Conversion...
Mar 28, 2007 (11:00 am)
Here is some info about OnStar from their own web-site regarding the conversion... it isn't going to be pretty, I'm sure there will be a lot of backlash:
Revised January 16, 2007
Q1. What different types of equipment do OnStar-equipped vehicles have?
A1. OnStar-equipped vehicles have one of three types of equipment:
Analog-Only: OnStar-equipped vehicles with analog-only equipment were designed to operate only on the analog cellular network and cannot be upgraded to operate on the digital network. Vehicles with this equipment will no longer be able to receive OnStar services beginning January 1, 2008. At that time, service will be available only through dual-mode (analog/digital) equipment. Analog-only vehicles cannot be upgraded to digital equipment. (Refer to Question #6 for additional details.)
Analog/Digital-Ready: OnStar-equipped vehicles with analog/digital-ready equipment operate on the analog cellular network, but can be upgraded to dual-mode (analog/digital) equipment if available for that vehicle. Beginning January 1, 2008, OnStar service will not be available on these vehicles unless the OnStar equipment has been upgraded to dual-mode (analog/digital) equipment.
Dual-Mode (Analog/Digital): OnStar-equipped vehicles with dual-mode (analog/digital) equipment operate on both the analog and digital cellular networks and will not require an upgrade in connection with the cellular industry's transition to the digital network."
-- from http://www.onstar.com/us_english/jsp/explore/onstar_basics/helpful_info.jsp?info- -view=tech_equip
#1984 of 2059 Re: Let's turn the table... [belias]
Mar 28, 2007 (11:06 am)
Nope, I am convinced now, I am not me, I am someone else. Was he the only other GM guy on here? Why did he get booted? Do you suspect all of the other GM guys? Maybe 1offroader is jreagan too? You're unbelievable.
OH, and you better not buy any more Japanese TV's anymore then, since they will require you spending money on the current analog sets to get them to receive digital signals next year. Like GM had anything to do with the analog to digital transition. Wow, you really are twisted.
Oh and BTW, no, I haven't receieved it yet, because I haven't ordered one yet. But I am going to, probably this summer. Although I will probably just find one on a dealer lot instead of ordering it. Thanks for your concern though.
#1985 of 2059 Re: Let's turn the table... [motownusa]
Mar 28, 2007 (11:13 am)
And who produced this video? An unbiased 3rd party, right? No? hmm???
I saw the video, and my teenage daughter even commented that it was made by Toyota and they can do whatever they wanted to do to sell their truck. Boy, are you ever gullible. Besides, who races trucks pulling heavy trailers? How relevant is that? So, the tundra can beat a Peterbilt too, does that mean it's more powerful and more capable than the peterbilt?