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#1850 of 2059 Spec's for 2007 Tundra and 2007 Silverado by iqbaldhillon2

Mar 19, 2007 (8:55 pm)

I got this from Toyota.com
Toyota Tundra Double Cab w/ 5.7 L 2x4 vs.
Chevy Silverado Extended Cab w/ 5.3 L 2x4
 
 $28,110 $31,500
Toyota Advantage Summary
Below is a summary of all Toyota advantages in this vehicle comparison.
 
  
Pricing Tundra Silverado 1500
MSRP $28,110 $31,500
Destination Charge $645 $900
Colors Tundra Silverado 1500
Exterior Color Chips 11 Available 9 Available
Base Engine
Tundra Silverado 1500
Base Engine Displacement 5.7 liters 5.3 liters
Valvetrain 32 Valves
double overhead cam (DOHC) 16 Valves
overhead valves (OHV)
Horsepower 381 hp 5600 rpm 315 hp 5200 rpm
Torque 401 ft-lbs. 3600 rpm 338 ft-lbs. 4400 rpm
Truck Features Tundra Silverado 1500
Bumpers chrome painted
Running Boards step - Optional Not Available
Seating Tundra Silverado 1500
Total Seating Capacity 6 5
Comfort Tundra Silverado 1500
Reading Lights front and rear reading lights front reading lights
Safety Features Tundra Silverado 1500
Brakes - Rear ventilated disc drum
Braking Assist Standard Not Available
Traction Control Standard Not Available
Stability Control Standard Optional
Head Air Bag front and rear front and rear - Optional
Side Air Bag dual front Not Available
Front Center Seatbelt Type 3-point belt Not Available
Child Safety Locks Standard Not Available
Rear Headrests 3 2
Parking Assist front and rear parking sensors - Optional rear parking sensors - Optional
Handling Tundra Silverado 1500
Turning Circle 44 ft. 46.9 ft.
Hauling
Tundra Silverado 1500
Max. Payload Capacity 1755 lbs. 1603 lbs.
Max. Towing Capacity 10600 lbs. 10300 lbs.
Range in Miles Toyota
Advantages Tundra Silverado 1500
City 422 mi. 416 mi.
Fuel Data Tundra Silverado 1500
Fuel Tank Capacity 26.4 gal. 26 gal.
Exterior Tundra Silverado 1500
Height 75.8 in. 73.9 in.
Wheel Base 145.7 in. 143.5 in.
Ground Clearance 10.2 in. 8.9 in.
Interior Toyota
Advantages Tundra Silverado 1500
Front Shoulder Room 66.6 in. 65.2 in.
Rear Shoulder Room 65.7 in. 65.3 in.
Front Hip Room 63 in. 62.5 in.
Rear Hip Room 62.6 in. 61.9 in.
Front Leg Room 42.5 in. 41.3 in.
Rear Leg Room 34.7 in. 34.3 in.
Maximum Seating 6 5
 
Turning Circle 44 ft. 46.9 ft.
 
EPA Mileage Estimates Tundra Silverado 1500
City 16 mpg. 16 mpg.
Highway 20 mpg. 22 mpg.
 
Range in Miles Tundra Silverado 1500
City 422 mi. 416 mi.
Highway 528 mi. 572 mi.
 
 Both trucks are HOTT right now! My local Toyota dealeship sold around 350 '07 Tundra's from Feb. 19- March 19. Chevy sold around 420 '07 Silverado's. Toyota's catching up!

#1851 of 2059 Re: Toyota comes up short [pmusce] by kdhspyder

Mar 19, 2007 (8:57 pm)

Replying to: pmusce (Mar 19, 2007 7:38 pm)
I was surprised when I read this on GMI and here so I asked the question myself.
 
That info was a 'throwaway line' in an article about Nissan dropping the HD versions.
 
The reply was that the diesel is still on track and nothing has changed. Typically it's nearly impossible to get a straight answer out of Toyota until they are good and ready.
 
Until I see something in print directly attributable to someone in a responsible position at Toyota the answer is 'Can't say for sure.'

#1852 of 2059 Re: Spec's for 2007 Tundra and 2007 Silverado [iqbaldhillon2] by rubendog

Mar 19, 2007 (9:15 pm)

Replying to: iqbaldhillon2 (Mar 19, 2007 8:55 pm)
Not sure we can believe those Toyota specs since it was on the toyota site. I mean, is the toyota really better in every single thing?
 
Probably not.
 
I notice that they left off heated washer fluid and easy to remove spin on oil filter. Both of those have been cited here as advantages for GM. There are probably others.

#1853 of 2059 Re: Toyota comes up short [vmax2007] by kdhspyder

Mar 19, 2007 (9:16 pm)

Replying to: vmax2007 (Mar 19, 2007 6:07 pm)
Do you really believe this? I really don't think anyone at Ford (or Dodge) would say or even think this.
 
Hi jreagan .. vmax2007... next alias
 
Obviously you don't understand how business and marketing work hand in hand. Pricing is the tool by which companies express themselves to buyers.
 
Mercedes comes into the market and promotes itself with world class luxury and engineering. To express this elite status to the buyers it then states 'We'd like all you college grads who are just starting out to get behind the wheel of our excellence so we're offering you ZERO down-ZERO interest-ZERO payments for 1 year, ..... Dude.'
 
Similarly if either Ford or Dodge managements truly believed that they had class leading trucks then they'd be promoting the elite status over the lowly Tundra and GMT900's by refraining from getting down in the gutter and slugging it out with low prices to the rabble.
 
Well the actual situations are that Mercedes has no interest in offering any kind of incentives to people without significant resources... and
Ford and Dodge managements know that if they aren't the lowest priced vehicles in the market that they'll never get enough buyers in the door to get to breakeven.
 
Those are just the facts. The pricing levels are set by the the managements of each company. It's not a mistake that the F150 and the Ram are the two lowest in price. The Queen of England didn't set the incentives and the price levels the respective Sales Departments did.

#1854 of 2059 Re: crash test results [kdhspyder] by 1offroader

Mar 19, 2007 (9:59 pm)

Replying to: kdhspyder (Mar 19, 2007 8:50 pm)
5 stars means that the occupants have up to a 10% risk of injury, 4 stars means that the occupants have from an 11-20% risk of injury. If the GMT900's are a 10% risk and the Tundra is an 11% risk is that anything to even discuss.
 
kdh you seem to be very selective in your choice of numbers. In my previous post I used the WORST case for each vehicle - 10% vs. 20% risk of injury - in order to be conservative. However, for some reason you chose 10% vs. 11% - the WORST case for the GM vs. the BEST case for the Tundra. Now, why would you do that??? Let me guess...perhaps to put the WORST spin on the Silverado vs. the BEST possible spin on the Tundra? If that makes you feel better about the test results, well, golly, who are we to argue with your innermost need to do that?
 
But just to be fair (You want to be fair, don't you? Of course you do, kdh!) - two can play that game. I'll choose 1% risk for the Silverado, vs. 20% risk for the Tundra - both of these numbers are within the NHTSA range, correct? Only this time, we'll turn the tables on you and choose the BEST number for the Silverado vs. the WORST number for the Tundra. Now, the odds of serious injury are 20 TIMES WORSE for the Tundra. Once you start playing games with the numbers, you can't stop it just because you find it inconvenient. Now, to be honest, I don't believe my 1% vs. 20% any more than I believe your 10% vs. the 11%. I'm just playing your game.
 
Re: side air bags on the standard cab models - I agree. You might be surprised by that. They should be AVAILABLE, and I predict they will be - and maybe even sooner than the Tundra is able to make 5 stars in the front crash test.
 
As far as your conclusion - I openly agreed on at least two previous posts - the Tundra is NOT unsafe. It just isn't the best. It's just LAST. Which, in this case, isn't terrible. It's just not as safe as it should be, which you agree with. This has got to hurt, esp. after Tundra fans have invested so much emotionally on the (totally unsubstantiated) theory that Toyota Co. is much more concerned over its customers' safety than Detroit. Unfortunately, Toyota has not been paying attention to the Tundra fans on this board in that respect.
 
Hey, Tokyo, can you hear us now?
 
1offroader

#1855 of 2059 GM fans rejoice! by drfill

Mar 19, 2007 (10:33 pm)

Can I yawn any louder?
 
   What happens when Tundra aces the IIHS test, a much harder test?
 
   The only people who get hurt in a full-size truck are the ones who don't wear seat belts. Natural Selection.
 
   It's not like they built the thing with gas tanks outside the frame rails or something.....
 
   DrFill

#1856 of 2059 Re: crash test results [1offroader] by toykicks

Mar 19, 2007 (11:47 pm)

Replying to: 1offroader (Mar 19, 2007 9:59 pm)
You know what i've noticed. The Silverados #s on safercar.gov are all mixed up. Regular cab weighs more then the crew cab? Crew cab weighs less then the ext. cab? ok? femure loads higher on ext. cab vs crew cab? Reg cab pictures not up for the silvy but both extended and crew cab pictures are? Tundra only has 1 crash picture up which is the regular cab. Site states people shouldnt compare vehicles ratings which weigh more then 250-/+ pounds. Talk about accuracy No photos no videos just #s which dont even go with the vehicle tested.
 

 

 

 
  
Its kinda hard to believe that the reg cab got the same Femur & chest deceleration loads as the ext cab silverado. Also weigh exactly the same which is BS. They spend thousands on crashing these vehicles and cant get any pictures up for the regular cab or DC or crew tundras ? They need to fix that quick Government crash tests have been bashed for this in the past. No wonder why people dont trust Government crash tests they can be inaccurate compared to highway crash tests. A lot of vehicles which do well on nhtsa have done bad in Highway crash tests which show video footage when theyre crashed.
 
Judging from those pictures GM made a pretty sold truck. Wonder how highway crash tests end up for these trucks since theyre crashed at a higher rate of speed.
 

#1857 of 2059 Re: If a Tundra HD comes, [drfill] by pmusce

Mar 20, 2007 (4:10 am)

Replying to: drfill (Mar 19, 2007 8:30 pm)
"It will be in 2010.
  
    I wouldn't put it by Toyota to start that rumor to throw the domestics off. Toyota can keep a secret better than any priest!
   
    They have to see if the Tundra does, in fact, gain a real foothold in the market.
  
    If they can sell 200k+ next year, expect to see an HD 18-24 months thereafter. Maybe 50k units. They have many diesels in use outside the US, and Hino will help build them, although any engine producer would kill to work with Toyota on such a project.
  
    Just speculation. That's what I'd do. "
 
Are you saying you know for sure that it is a go for 2010 or are you just speculating? Not sure why you think Toyota needs to throw the domestics off when they all play in this market already.

#1858 of 2059 Re: crash test results [1offroader] by belias

Mar 20, 2007 (4:10 am)

Replying to: 1offroader (Mar 19, 2007 9:59 pm)
You do make a good point 1offroader. Nobody is arguing that there is a difference, but I think it best to go right down the middle to give both the benefit of the doubt. That leaves the Silverado at 5% and the Tundra at 15%. What kdhspyder was trying to illustrate was that it may be that the difference was not significant, that's all, but either way it is a disappointment for Toyota for sure.
However, I believe the article pointing out the test results also said that less than 2% of vehicle accidents are actually full head-on collisions and that most accidents are off-set head-on collisions, rear-end collisions, t-bones, and rollovers. So, while the difference between the 5-star and 4-star ratings for the Silverado and Tundra may be significant for some, if you actually look at those affected, it is not a good representation of real-life accidents. Now, if the Tundra does not do as well in the other types of safety tests, then they will definitely have their work cut out for them in terms of needing improvement.
Right now, this is a minor setback for Toyota. We'll see what happens when the other safety tests are conducted.

#1859 of 2059 Re: Toyota comes up short [vmax2007] by belias

Mar 20, 2007 (4:18 am)

Replying to: vmax2007 (Mar 19, 2007 6:04 pm)
We call you jreagan because your MO is the easiest one to detect. The first two posts made that obvious and all you needed to do was have your IP address drop and then pick up a new one from the DHCP pool of available IP addresses.
Also, in case you hadn't noticed all your posts are in the late afternoon / early evening which means that it is likely that you have not figured out how to do this at work yet.
In any case, welcome back jreagan/vmax2007!

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