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Toyota Tundra, Chevrolet Silverado 1500, Truck
#150 of 2059 Re: YEA YEA [rockylee]
Feb 01, 2007 (3:34 pm)
Actually you can configure the Silverado for a 10500# towing capacity with the Max Trailering Package but only the 2006 Heritage model... the T800's.
When they went to the new T900's this was dropped.
I'm guessing, only a guess, that since the T900's are new and just launching since Sept that they haven't opened all the options up as yet. They may not be building many 6.0L Silvy's as yet for a couple of reasons..
a) they are just ramping up production so the 5.3L gets all the production time;
b) there is little demand for the 6.0L in a half ton pickup. As you originally noted if someone is going to do very heavy work then it's the DuraMax which is probably GM's best - and most profitable - drivetrain. GM may be discouraging buyers from ordering the 6.0L in favor of stepping up to the DuraMax 2500. Better truck / more profits.
As an indication there are ZERO 6.0L V8's on our Chevy lot. The bulk are the 5.3L & 4.8L and the DuraMax diesels.
Toyota is doing the same with the 4.0L V6's in the Tundra. It's much better to go to a V8 ( 4.7 or 5.7 ) than to order the V6. So they price it very high in relation to the V8's.
#151 of 2059 Re: YEA YEA [kdhspyder]
Feb 01, 2007 (3:45 pm)
Well perhaps this fall GM, will up the horsepower rating on the 6.0 to 385 so they can claim they have the highest output of the trucks ? I think it's critical to their marketing to out power the competition like they have for years. The VortecMax engine (6.2) with 400+ hp will be here this fall. I don't know if that will be a Chevy Silverado SS model or not ? We will see.....
#153 of 2059 Re: YEA YEA [thegraduate]
Feb 01, 2007 (5:30 pm)
Thank you for your well-informed post. I think it would be wise not to feed the bear though.
You are of course correct, but his pitches are so slow and right over the plate, it's hard to resist not knocking them out of the park.
#154 of 2059 Re: Anyone who questions the 'Yota, can now test it's strength yourself! [drfill]
Feb 01, 2007 (6:05 pm)
I still would have doubts. The 10K trailer probably is more like 5K
The fully loaded payload is probably brick painted cardboard boxes....grin
The acceleration tests probably are done with a engine swap of GM's 6.0 V8 with Toyota emblems
I couldn't resist.....
#155 of 2059 GM should appear on "Wife Swap"
Feb 01, 2007 (6:10 pm)
As they would gladly use Toyota engines in their cars, like they have done many times, past (Cavalier in Japan, Geo Prism), and present (Vibe GT).
Pretty sure Toyota would give a raspberry to a domestic swap. Overhead valves and pushrods are like Beta tapes to 'Yota.
#156 of 2059 Re: YEA YEA [rockylee]
Feb 01, 2007 (6:10 pm)
I think it's critical to their marketing to out power the competition like they have for years.
Huh? Are we talking half-tons? Sivlerado had a 5.3L with 310hp right? Last I checked, the Dodge has had this beat for awhile now with a 5.7L 345 hp. Am I forgetting something?
#157 of 2059 Re: YEA YEA [rockylee]
Feb 01, 2007 (6:36 pm)
I would think that would be the 6.2 V8 in the Denali.
Okay, this is a future engine not even listed on the GMC web site for the Denali. Even with the lessor Denali engine which is quite "lessor" to say the least, the Denali starts at over $40,000. At this price point you could get a 4x4 Tundra Crew Max 5.7, 6 speed, Limited. The Denali is a very small part of the truck market for GM. Just to stick to the point of this thread, we're talking about the Silverado not the luxury Denali. The Silvy is GM's most popular mass production half ton not some obscure luxury truck that hardly anybody buys. That is why the 6.2 isn't seriously discussed in debates like this. Grasping at the 6.2 saying it beats the 5.7 is kind of well ....desperate. The more interesting question is will they move the 6.2 to the Silvy as an option and how much will it cost, and what are the likely reliability issues.
I often find it funny how some of you guys spin the thread to make lower models from GM compete against the top models from Toyota. I hope that makes y'all feel warm inside.
GM has vastly improved the Silvy from the last generation. Just looking at the exterior it seems to exude a better feeling of quality over the last generation, but the top silvy still can't compete with the top Tundra in the powertrain department. As for the interiors, I'll leave that discussion for all the women interior decorators that seem to frequent these truck discussions. The only warm feeling I get inside is when I'm right. I've been feeling quite warm lately.
I don't doubt that GM will catch up to the current Tundra, but more than likely Toyota will have something better in the works. I've heard from people supposedly in the know that the 5.7 can be tuned comfortably above 400hp and won't actually blow until approaching 500hp. We'll see what Toyota has in store. What's surprising is that toyota so comfortably trumped the recently released silvy (which is a pretty good truck) with their first true attempt at a full size truck.
Y'all are going to buy it not because you need the extra powertrain but because it wears the Toyota badge and thats enough reason to make the purchase even though you will pay more, get less of a warranty, and get less features and refinement.
Isn't the Toyota badge enough especially when I've owned a Toy truck for 15+ years and it still runs like new. I might add that one main point people talk about in these discussions is how brand loyal domestic truck buyers are and that they won't give the new Tundra a chance simply because it's asian. Talk about buying a vehicle just because of the badge, domestic truck buyers are the epitome of that statement. Detroit is counting on a segment of the market called "import avoiders". These people are out there and won't buy a vehicle simply because it has a Toyota badge. There is alot of anti Honda/Toyota sentiment on the web, and I notice the same vitriolic comments aren't directed toward euro brands ie. BMW, Mercedez etc. I think it boils down for some reason to an anti asian bias or the "R" word. Some people are very reluctant to recognize the quality of asian products siting customers as sheep, press bias etc. Any reason other than the Japanese make a superior product.
One point I'll grant you is that Toyota should step up their warranty if not to compete with GM, then to compete with Hyundai which is the greater threat to both Toyota and Honda. Hyundai has made great strides in quality over the last few years and is very focused on competing with Toyota. Toyota has grown, some say to fast which has elicted some quality issues which I believe will be quickly corrected simply because it's their way. It's what they do. If Toyota doesn't think that the words quality/reliability are their bread and butter then they deserve their fate. One thing I am fairly certain of is that they crossed their T's and dotted their i's with this new truck. They can't afford to have issues. This truck must make a impression and must say quality and reliability. Toyota is already introducing this truck with killer financing rates. They've come to play and play hard. They want as many of these trucks on the road as quickly as possible proving themselves. That factory is going to be churning out trucks like crazy to meet that 200K goal.
#158 of 2059 Re: YEA YEA [thegraduate]
Feb 01, 2007 (6:37 pm)
Am I forgetting something?
Yep !!!! I'm talking about the whole company and not just a specific segment.....but FYI that same dodge was met with a 345 hp. 6.0 GMC Sierra Denali. Now dodge is at the back of the pack when it comes to muscle presently. That goes for the whole car company of Chrysler corp. but it's not as bad as Fords current line-up
#159 of 2059 Re: YEA YEA [rockylee]
Feb 01, 2007 (7:03 pm)
Now dodge is at the back of the pack when it comes to muscle presently. That goes for the whole car company of Chrysler corp.
Guess you forget the Titan and F-150 then?
...Sierra Denali with 6.0L 345 hp...
Was this offered in any other half-tons other than the $45k Caddy of pickups? Anything that might remotely be used for more work than lux? It is such a narrow model, I'd not heard of anything like it since the Sierra C3.