Last post on Mar 29, 2007 at 5:33 AM
You are in the Toyota Tundra
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Toyota Tundra, Chevrolet Silverado 1500, Truck
#145 of 2059 Re: YEA YEA [geo9]
Feb 01, 2007 (10:17 am)
Those figures ARE from Edmunds spec. lists for 07s !
Easy to compare all 4 trucks from a "neutral" site.
So no koolaid !
Son, the specs are clearly listed on Toyota's site. If they are different on Edmunds, Edmunds has made a mistake. Where do you think edmunds gets their numbers? Do you think they do independent testing or something? Get a clue.
Are they still making the "honda pantyline"?
I have seen reports that it is gonna be discontinued
because of poor sales.
Calling inanimate objects names is a sure sign of someone that doesn't have a case. Poor sales? Honda met sales projections last year. I'm not sure what your talking about. There is a V6 diesel coming in 09 for the Ridgeline.
The complaints on that "wondercar"
here at Edmunds and ridglineownersclub are quite funny !
The water leak posts alone are quite amusing. It the
body wrinkle still closed ?
Talk about heads in the sand!
More name calling. My, this truck must have you really irritated. The posts about the Avy's problems ar also very amusing here on Edmunds and elsewhere.
GM had that idea from the get-go with the Avalanche!
honda thought it was good enough to TRY and copy.......
Bob Lutz, a GM VP and GM's auto ghuro said the Ridgeline had the best packaging of any vehicle he has ever seen. I'm assuming he's aware of the Avalanche. I'm also assuming he's infinitely more informed on the auto industry than you are.
GM Vice President praises Honda Ridgeline
At the North American International Auto Show in Detroit earlier this month, Bob Lutz, GM's vice chairman, brought a large contingent to inspect Ridgeline. He told Flint: It's the best ``packaging'' of any vehicle he has ever seen, meaning the best layout and use of space.
Lutz praises competitors sparingly, especially those from abroad.
There isn't a better multi purpose SUT on the market than the Ridgeline. Their are few that would disagree
-Motor Trend truck of the year 2006
-North American Truck of the year 2006
-Detroit News truck of the year 2006
-Consumer Reports top rated truck
-JD Power & Associates 2005 APEAL award for the Honda Ridgeline
-Autobytel 2006 Editors' Choice Award: Truck of the year 2006
-Automobile Journalists Association of Canada (AJAC) Best New Pickup 2006
-On Wheels Incorporated: Ridgeline 2006 Urban Wheel Award for the Urban Truck of the Year
-Ridgeline wins Strategic Vision's coveted "Most Delightful" compact pickup award.
-best rollover resistance rating of any pickup tested by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA)
-first-ever 4-door pickup to earn a 5-star safety rating for both front and side impact crash test performance from the U.S. National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA).
-Society of Plastic Engineers 2005 Grand Award (composite inbed trunk)
-Car And Driver Rates Honda Ridgeline #1 Pickup.
- AutoWeek Editors' Choice Award as the 'Most Significant' new vehicle in the show
-Maxim Truck Of The Year 2006
-Autoweb.com top ten tailgater
-2007 Automobile Magazine All Star award Top 10 cars for 2007
Now back to the full size truck that has the best powertrain on the market: The 07 Tundra
#146 of 2059 Re: YEA YEA [geo9]
Feb 01, 2007 (11:35 am)
"Funny the towing cap. from Edmunds:
All 1/2 ton reg. cab small v-8, auto 4wd specs.
Silverado 8900 lbs.
Ram 8800 "
toyota 8200 "
Ford 6800! "
The only number I'll quibble with there is the one for the Silverado. The number you've indicated (8900 lbs.) is for the 5.3l V8 version rather than the "small v-8" 4.8l version. Since all of the other numbers you indicated are for the sub-5.0l versions (4.7l V8 for the Dodge Ram, 4.7l V8 for the Toyota Tundra and 4.6l V8 for the F150), it would probably be fairer to compare against the Silverado equipped with the 4.8l V8.
According to Chevy's Silverado website, the Silverado equipped similarly to the others will tow 7900 lbs not 8900 lbs.
"Funny.....toyota lists NO factory trailer hitch aval....
according to Edmunds."
Well, according to Toyota's website, their V8 tow package includes the following:
"Heavy-duty tow hitch receiver
Trailer brake controller prewire
Supplemental transmission cooler
Automatic-transmission temperature gauge
4.100 rear axle ratio
(on 4.7L models) or 4.300
rear axle ratio (on 5.7L models)"
I'd still like to see you backup your earlier assertion that the Tundra has "bottom of the heap towing capacity".
#147 of 2059 Re: YEA YEA [gearhead1]
Feb 01, 2007 (11:36 am)
Thank you for your well-informed post. I think it would be wise not to feed the bear though. By making outlandish statements that don't hold water, he/she getting the attention that they want, and adding absolutely nothing beneficial to this thread except higher blood pressure. I've been sitting here watching this exchange, and whether you think people realize it or not, it is obvious that you are the level-headed side of the debate.
I mean, c'mon, calling trucks names? It's comical at best, but managing to evaporate what credibility orignally existed before those statements.
#148 of 2059 Re: YEA YEA [kdhspyder]
Feb 01, 2007 (2:31 pm)
4 sec closed loop power-inhibitor program that Edmunds discovered.
Can you explain to me what that is ???
#149 of 2059 Re: YEA YEA [gearhead1]
Feb 01, 2007 (3:18 pm)
Now back to the full size truck that has the best powertrain on the market: The 07 Tundra
I would think that would be the 6.2 V8 in the Denali.
I often find it funny how some of you guys spin the thread to make lower models from GM compete against the top models from Toyota. I hope that makes y'all feel warm inside.
Kd, I'm not going to dispute your post. I don't have enough information to know how you can configure the new Silverado yet. I've also found that the Chevy website is kind of confusing when trying to configure the best truck for towing. I'll give another run at it in the near future to see how the 6.0 can obtain the 10500 tow rating.
I know the new Silverado is a POS and the new Tundra is the greatest truck since slice bread when y'all do a comparo similar to the ones edmunds.com's staff has done.
I do find it funny so many normally very biased anti-GM magazines, news papers, etc, picked the Silverado as their truck of the year and gave it good reviews.
I guess because the edmunds.com staff doing a apples to oranges comparo that was enough in y'alls minds to reinforce any doubt that Toyota, is the best at everything and GM's automobiles because of the 1980's are still crap.
I know I'm going to the far extreme but that is essentially the make-up of some personality's on this forum based on past posts. geo9, isn't the only one that has put questionable stereotype labels with automobiles and I find it funny that he gets slammed by people that have done the same thing in the past with stereotypes.
I could go up and down the list and find dislikes with the Tundra, and explain why it's not the best pick-up. What would I accomplish ????
Y'all are going to buy it not because you need the extra powertrain but because it wears the Toyota badge and thats enough reason to make the purchase even though you will pay more, get less of a warranty, and get less features and refinement.
I will go out on a limb and say this fall we will likely see some powertrain adjustments from GM, to meet or exceed Toyota. I suppose then y'all would still find other faults with the Silverado, because no matter what GM, does it won't be good enough let alone be as good as the Tundra. This is very typical of not only the trucks we are talking about but GM vs. Toyota in general. I can't change y'alls perception and I'm not trying to change y'alls minds on what you should like. I just think the Silverado, finally deserves a little respect and not be trashed. I've said the new Tundra, is a very nice worthy full-size truck but it being the best is subject to the individuals. I have a feeling the majority of people that buy the Silverado, over the Tundra won't be disappointed about it's disadvantages which is some cases are advantages.
#150 of 2059 Re: YEA YEA [rockylee]
Feb 01, 2007 (3:34 pm)
Actually you can configure the Silverado for a 10500# towing capacity with the Max Trailering Package but only the 2006 Heritage model... the T800's.
When they went to the new T900's this was dropped.
I'm guessing, only a guess, that since the T900's are new and just launching since Sept that they haven't opened all the options up as yet. They may not be building many 6.0L Silvy's as yet for a couple of reasons..
a) they are just ramping up production so the 5.3L gets all the production time;
b) there is little demand for the 6.0L in a half ton pickup. As you originally noted if someone is going to do very heavy work then it's the DuraMax which is probably GM's best - and most profitable - drivetrain. GM may be discouraging buyers from ordering the 6.0L in favor of stepping up to the DuraMax 2500. Better truck / more profits.
As an indication there are ZERO 6.0L V8's on our Chevy lot. The bulk are the 5.3L & 4.8L and the DuraMax diesels.
Toyota is doing the same with the 4.0L V6's in the Tundra. It's much better to go to a V8 ( 4.7 or 5.7 ) than to order the V6. So they price it very high in relation to the V8's.
#151 of 2059 Re: YEA YEA [kdhspyder]
Feb 01, 2007 (3:45 pm)
Well perhaps this fall GM, will up the horsepower rating on the 6.0 to 385 so they can claim they have the highest output of the trucks ? I think it's critical to their marketing to out power the competition like they have for years. The VortecMax engine (6.2) with 400+ hp will be here this fall. I don't know if that will be a Chevy Silverado SS model or not ? We will see.....
#153 of 2059 Re: YEA YEA [thegraduate]
Feb 01, 2007 (5:30 pm)
Thank you for your well-informed post. I think it would be wise not to feed the bear though.
You are of course correct, but his pitches are so slow and right over the plate, it's hard to resist not knocking them out of the park.
#154 of 2059 Re: Anyone who questions the 'Yota, can now test it's strength yourself! [drfill]
Feb 01, 2007 (6:05 pm)
I still would have doubts. The 10K trailer probably is more like 5K
The fully loaded payload is probably brick painted cardboard boxes....grin
The acceleration tests probably are done with a engine swap of GM's 6.0 V8 with Toyota emblems
I couldn't resist.....