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Replying to: rockylee (Jan 31, 2007 9:34 pm) The Denali will be a small volume very top-end model to the GMC line..when it comes out. The 6.2L will likely be very competitive with the 5.7L Tundra but only in one configuration Denali vs Crew Max Ltd at 'beaucoup bucks'. That assumes that GM doesn't put some secret closed loop power damper into the programing either. For the rest of the truck market the Tundra 5.7L can be bought in a Reg Cab, Double Cab, Crew Max, 2WD or 4WD, Ltd or SR5 standard version for Joe-everyday-truck-buyer. Regarding the phantom 10,500# towing capacity of the 6.0L it goes to the GM 'Build and Price' feature on the website as compared to the specs/capacities on the same website. Here's the specifics. The 4WD EC Std bed version with the 6.0L has a standard towing capacity of 8600#. ( see specifications/capacities/trailering ) Just below this there is the option to go up to 10000#+ if the vehicle has the 'Max Trailering Package'. Fair enough: .. Now go to the 'Build and Price' feature for a 2007 Silvy EC Std bed 4WD 2LT. .. Go through all the steps and try to find a 6.0L engine anywhere as an option. It's not there. You can't build one and I presume order one. .. But you can get the 6.0L if you know enough to order the Z71 Off Road Package. .. But there is no option to order the 'Max Trailering Package' which the specs above state must be added in order to get the 10000#+ Towing. there is the normal HD Trailering package but that only give you an 8600# capacity. So if you can somehow find the 6.0L to order it you can't get the best version of it only the standard version, which is pretty weak actually since it's only slightly more capable than the 5.3L. Thenyou have to deal with the 4 sec closed loop power-inhibitor program that Edmunds discovered. The Tundra BTW comes Standard ( at no extra cost ) with 10000#+ Towing Capacity on all 5.7L engines. It was published yesterday. The Tundra now has it's foot on the Silvy's neck.
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Replying to: rockylee (Jan 31, 2007 9:34 pm) Actually the Ford does ... but you have to add the HD Payload Package in order to get it. With this package the F150 is far above any of the other 4- but only on 4 configurations. But if you are talking about standard hauling capacities...here are the figures for the 10 most common congifurations: ............Tundra .. Silvy .. F150 .. RAM 2WD RC Std Bed - 1765 .. 1952 .. 1820 .. 1810 - Silvy RC LBed... - 2080 .. 1812 .. 2000 .. 1640 - Tundra EC Std Bed - 1755 .. 2160 .. 1890 .. 1570 - Silvy EC LBed... - 1655 .. 1687 .. N/A .. 1380 - Tundra/Silvy CC Sht Bed - 1680 .. 2039 .. 1780 .. 2438 - RAM 4WD RC Std Bed - 1700 .. 1713 .. 1720 .. 1320 - 3 way tie RC LBed... - 2000 .. 1850 .. 1670 .. 1310 - Tundra EC Std Bed - 1655 .. 2013 .. 1740 .. 1330 - Silvy EC LBed... - 1555 .. 1574 .. N/A .. 1220 - Tundra/Silvy CC Sht Bed - 1590 .. 2010 .. 1630 .. 1980 - Silvy/Ram |
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Replying to: geo9 (Jan 31, 2007 7:03 pm) Bed depth: Dodge Ram - 20.2" Chevy Silverado - 21.0" Toyota Tundra - 22.2" Ford F150 - 22.3" Draw your own conclusions. "...bottom of the heap in towing capacity..." Dodge Ram - 2900 lbs. std. / 8750 with tow package Ford F150 - maxed out at 9500 lbs. for ext. and crewcab models. Maxed out at 11000 lbs. for reg. cab. Chevy Silverado - Maxed out at 10500 for ext/crewcab 4x4 models. Toyota Tundra - maxed out at 10,800 lbs. for regular cab 4x2. Maxed at 10,600 for Dcab and 10,400 for Crewmax. Draw your own conclusions. Sounds to me like there might be some anti-Toyota Koolaid making the rounds.....
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Replying to: rorr (Feb 01, 2007 7:49 am) All 1/2 ton reg. cab small v-8, auto 4wd specs. Silverado 8900 lbs. Ram 8800 " toyota 8200 " Ford 6800! " Funny.....toyota lists NO factory trailer hitch aval.... according to Edmunds
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Replying to: geo9 (Jan 31, 2007 7:03 pm) Your obviously trolling for attention here. There is no one that doesn't know that the Silvy is now playing catch up with Toyota with their powertrain. You seriously can't have your head buried that far in the sand. Toyota may later than sooner innovate rather than imitate. You mean the way Honda did with the Ridgeline. Yep, you strike me as a person that appreciates innovation. |
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Replying to: geo9 (Feb 01, 2007 8:22 am) Go to Toyota's website and see the 2007 specs. It'll scare the daylights out of you....  . All your preconceived notions are shattered.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Feb 01, 2007 9:15 am) Easy to compare all 4 trucks from a "neutral" site. So no koolaid ! But still NO factory trailer hitch (acc. to Edmunds) Are they still making the "honda pantyline"? I have seen reports that it is gonna be discontinued because of poor sales. The complaints on that "wondercar" here at Edmunds and ridglineownersclub are quite funny ! The water leak posts alone are quite amusing. What about the failing strut issus? Are the body wrinkle posts still closed ? I LOVE the long term test reviews here at Edmunds tho. Heck, They only had 3 struts FAIL at 1 time........ Talk about heads in the sand!  GM had that idea from the get-go with the Avalanche! But they screwed up !...No in bed "trunk" ! honda the innovators ! honda thought it was good enough to TRY and copy.......
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Replying to: geo9 (Feb 01, 2007 9:56 am) Easy to compare all 4 trucks from a "neutral" site. So no koolaid ! Son, the specs are clearly listed on Toyota's site. If they are different on Edmunds, Edmunds has made a mistake. Where do you think edmunds gets their numbers? Do you think they do independent testing or something? Get a clue. Are they still making the "honda pantyline"? I have seen reports that it is gonna be discontinued because of poor sales. Calling inanimate objects names is a sure sign of someone that doesn't have a case. Poor sales? Honda met sales projections last year. I'm not sure what your talking about. There is a V6 diesel coming in 09 for the Ridgeline. The complaints on that "wondercar" here at Edmunds and ridglineownersclub are quite funny ! The water leak posts alone are quite amusing. It the body wrinkle still closed ? Talk about heads in the sand! More name calling. My, this truck must have you really irritated. The posts about the Avy's problems ar also very amusing here on Edmunds and elsewhere. GM had that idea from the get-go with the Avalanche! honda thought it was good enough to TRY and copy....... Bob Lutz, a GM VP and GM's auto ghuro said the Ridgeline had the best packaging of any vehicle he has ever seen. I'm assuming he's aware of the Avalanche. I'm also assuming he's infinitely more informed on the auto industry than you are. GM Vice President praises Honda Ridgeline At the North American International Auto Show in Detroit earlier this month, Bob Lutz, GM's vice chairman, brought a large contingent to inspect Ridgeline. He told Flint: It's the best ``packaging'' of any vehicle he has ever seen, meaning the best layout and use of space. Lutz praises competitors sparingly, especially those from abroad. There isn't a better multi purpose SUT on the market than the Ridgeline. Their are few that would disagree -Motor Trend truck of the year 2006 -North American Truck of the year 2006 -Detroit News truck of the year 2006 -Consumer Reports top rated truck -JD Power & Associates 2005 APEAL award for the Honda Ridgeline -Autobytel 2006 Editors' Choice Award: Truck of the year 2006 -Automobile Journalists Association of Canada (AJAC) Best New Pickup 2006 -On Wheels Incorporated: Ridgeline 2006 Urban Wheel Award for the Urban Truck of the Year -Ridgeline wins Strategic Vision's coveted "Most Delightful" compact pickup award. -best rollover resistance rating of any pickup tested by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) -first-ever 4-door pickup to earn a 5-star safety rating for both front and side impact crash test performance from the U.S. National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA). -Society of Plastic Engineers 2005 Grand Award (composite inbed trunk) -Car And Driver Rates Honda Ridgeline #1 Pickup. - AutoWeek Editors' Choice Award as the 'Most Significant' new vehicle in the show -Maxim Truck Of The Year 2006 -Autoweb.com top ten tailgater -2007 Automobile Magazine All Star award Top 10 cars for 2007 Now back to the full size truck that has the best powertrain on the market: The 07 Tundra
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Replying to: geo9 (Feb 01, 2007 8:22 am) All 1/2 ton reg. cab small v-8, auto 4wd specs. Silverado 8900 lbs. Ram 8800 " toyota 8200 " Ford 6800! " The only number I'll quibble with there is the one for the Silverado. The number you've indicated (8900 lbs.) is for the 5.3l V8 version rather than the "small v-8" 4.8l version. Since all of the other numbers you indicated are for the sub-5.0l versions (4.7l V8 for the Dodge Ram, 4.7l V8 for the Toyota Tundra and 4.6l V8 for the F150), it would probably be fairer to compare against the Silverado equipped with the 4.8l V8. According to Chevy's Silverado website, the Silverado equipped similarly to the others will tow 7900 lbs not 8900 lbs. "Funny.....toyota lists NO factory trailer hitch aval.... according to Edmunds." Well, according to Toyota's website, their V8 tow package includes the following: "Heavy-duty tow hitch receiver 7-pin connector Trailer brake controller prewire Supplemental transmission cooler TOW/HAUL mode Automatic-transmission temperature gauge 4.100 rear axle ratio (on 4.7L models) or 4.300 rear axle ratio (on 5.7L models)" I'd still like to see you backup your earlier assertion that the Tundra has "bottom of the heap towing capacity". |
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Replying to: gearhead1 (Feb 01, 2007 10:17 am) I mean, c'mon, calling trucks names? It's comical at best, but managing to evaporate what credibility orignally existed before those statements. Thanks gearhead1, TheGrad
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