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2059 messages, Last post on Mar 29, 2007 at 5:33 AM
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Replying to: rockylee (Jan 31, 2007 7:17 pm) The Denali better be good. The Silvy lasted in 1st place for 3 weeks. There is also a couple of other dark secrets that no one has mentioned about the 2007 Silvy. The 6.0L doesn't really tow 10,500# as the specs say it should. Well it does, but you can't buy one. It's a little dark secret that you can buy a 6.0L but it's only as capable as the 5.3L!!! The 5.3L is the smallest and least capable of all the 1/2 ton engines....it's neck and neck with the 5.4L in the F150 for last in the segment. |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 31, 2007 8:04 pm) Careful kd, I don't think your fuzzy math is adding up. The Sierra Denali, is SAE certified at 400 hp. and 417 lbs. Tq. which whips the pants off your 381 hp & 401 tq Tundra    Rocky |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 31, 2007 8:13 pm) Do you have any evidence that supports your claims ???? http://www.gmc.com/sierra900/1500/specsDimension.jsp If the Silverado can't pull 10500 then certainly the Tundra can't ? Dr.Fill, you told us all the Silverado, doesn't have the "work truck" capability's of the new Tundra. I've read on various sites that say the Silverado has the highest payload of any half-ton truck which I would think would be critical to a work truck wouldn't it ?????  My god, some of y'all are rough. I had to go out and make sure y'alls claims were factual. My research and conclusion is y'all are giving me more Potato's than Meat to phrase it in nicer words. Rocky
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Replying to: rockylee (Jan 31, 2007 9:34 pm) The Denali will be a small volume very top-end model to the GMC line..when it comes out. The 6.2L will likely be very competitive with the 5.7L Tundra but only in one configuration Denali vs Crew Max Ltd at 'beaucoup bucks'. That assumes that GM doesn't put some secret closed loop power damper into the programing either. For the rest of the truck market the Tundra 5.7L can be bought in a Reg Cab, Double Cab, Crew Max, 2WD or 4WD, Ltd or SR5 standard version for Joe-everyday-truck-buyer. Regarding the phantom 10,500# towing capacity of the 6.0L it goes to the GM 'Build and Price' feature on the website as compared to the specs/capacities on the same website. Here's the specifics. The 4WD EC Std bed version with the 6.0L has a standard towing capacity of 8600#. ( see specifications/capacities/trailering ) Just below this there is the option to go up to 10000#+ if the vehicle has the 'Max Trailering Package'. Fair enough: .. Now go to the 'Build and Price' feature for a 2007 Silvy EC Std bed 4WD 2LT. .. Go through all the steps and try to find a 6.0L engine anywhere as an option. It's not there. You can't build one and I presume order one. .. But you can get the 6.0L if you know enough to order the Z71 Off Road Package. .. But there is no option to order the 'Max Trailering Package' which the specs above state must be added in order to get the 10000#+ Towing. there is the normal HD Trailering package but that only give you an 8600# capacity. So if you can somehow find the 6.0L to order it you can't get the best version of it only the standard version, which is pretty weak actually since it's only slightly more capable than the 5.3L. Thenyou have to deal with the 4 sec closed loop power-inhibitor program that Edmunds discovered. The Tundra BTW comes Standard ( at no extra cost ) with 10000#+ Towing Capacity on all 5.7L engines. It was published yesterday. The Tundra now has it's foot on the Silvy's neck.
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Replying to: rockylee (Jan 31, 2007 9:34 pm) Actually the Ford does ... but you have to add the HD Payload Package in order to get it. With this package the F150 is far above any of the other 4- but only on 4 configurations. But if you are talking about standard hauling capacities...here are the figures for the 10 most common congifurations: ............Tundra .. Silvy .. F150 .. RAM 2WD RC Std Bed - 1765 .. 1952 .. 1820 .. 1810 - Silvy RC LBed... - 2080 .. 1812 .. 2000 .. 1640 - Tundra EC Std Bed - 1755 .. 2160 .. 1890 .. 1570 - Silvy EC LBed... - 1655 .. 1687 .. N/A .. 1380 - Tundra/Silvy CC Sht Bed - 1680 .. 2039 .. 1780 .. 2438 - RAM 4WD RC Std Bed - 1700 .. 1713 .. 1720 .. 1320 - 3 way tie RC LBed... - 2000 .. 1850 .. 1670 .. 1310 - Tundra EC Std Bed - 1655 .. 2013 .. 1740 .. 1330 - Silvy EC LBed... - 1555 .. 1574 .. N/A .. 1220 - Tundra/Silvy CC Sht Bed - 1590 .. 2010 .. 1630 .. 1980 - Silvy/Ram |
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Replying to: geo9 (Jan 31, 2007 7:03 pm) Bed depth: Dodge Ram - 20.2" Chevy Silverado - 21.0" Toyota Tundra - 22.2" Ford F150 - 22.3" Draw your own conclusions. "...bottom of the heap in towing capacity..." Dodge Ram - 2900 lbs. std. / 8750 with tow package Ford F150 - maxed out at 9500 lbs. for ext. and crewcab models. Maxed out at 11000 lbs. for reg. cab. Chevy Silverado - Maxed out at 10500 for ext/crewcab 4x4 models. Toyota Tundra - maxed out at 10,800 lbs. for regular cab 4x2. Maxed at 10,600 for Dcab and 10,400 for Crewmax. Draw your own conclusions. Sounds to me like there might be some anti-Toyota Koolaid making the rounds.....
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Replying to: rorr (Feb 01, 2007 7:49 am) All 1/2 ton reg. cab small v-8, auto 4wd specs. Silverado 8900 lbs. Ram 8800 " toyota 8200 " Ford 6800! " Funny.....toyota lists NO factory trailer hitch aval.... according to Edmunds
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Replying to: geo9 (Jan 31, 2007 7:03 pm) Your obviously trolling for attention here. There is no one that doesn't know that the Silvy is now playing catch up with Toyota with their powertrain. You seriously can't have your head buried that far in the sand. Toyota may later than sooner innovate rather than imitate. You mean the way Honda did with the Ridgeline. Yep, you strike me as a person that appreciates innovation. |
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Replying to: geo9 (Feb 01, 2007 8:22 am) Go to Toyota's website and see the 2007 specs. It'll scare the daylights out of you.... . All your preconceived notions are shattered.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Feb 01, 2007 9:15 am) Easy to compare all 4 trucks from a "neutral" site. So no koolaid ! But still NO factory trailer hitch (acc. to Edmunds) Are they still making the "honda pantyline"? I have seen reports that it is gonna be discontinued because of poor sales. The complaints on that "wondercar" here at Edmunds and ridglineownersclub are quite funny ! The water leak posts alone are quite amusing. What about the failing strut issus? Are the body wrinkle posts still closed ? I LOVE the long term test reviews here at Edmunds tho. Heck, They only had 3 struts FAIL at 1 time........ Talk about heads in the sand! GM had that idea from the get-go with the Avalanche! But they screwed up !...No in bed "trunk" ! honda the innovators ! honda thought it was good enough to TRY and copy.......
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