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Pickups Toyota Tundra Toyota Tundra vs. Chevrolet Silverado 
2059 messages, Last post on Mar 29, 2007 at 5:33 AM
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Replying to: jreagan (Mar 03, 2007 7:19 pm)
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Replying to: jreagan (Mar 03, 2007 7:24 pm) By doing this it makes GM react, as in your case, by being more agressive. Making the other guy 'blink' is always a good thing in business. |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Mar 03, 2007 7:25 pm)
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Replying to: jreagan (Mar 03, 2007 7:28 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Mar 03, 2007 7:29 pm) |
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Replying to: jreagan (Mar 03, 2007 7:13 pm) |
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At the North American International Auto Show in Detroit in January 07, I performed the following unscientific and admittedly subjective test on display models of the new Tundra, the new Silverado, the Titan, the F-150, and the Dodge Ram. 1. Open driver side door. 2. From the outside of the truck, brace your right knee against the exterior sheet metal about 1 foot above the door bottom and about 2-3 inches from the open edge of the door (where it's strongest and you won't bend the sheet metal). Take your right hand, grab hold of the top edge of the door frame above the window and pull the top edge toward you. I describe this s you can do this test yourself, if so inclined, preferably when the salesperson is not looking. On the Dodge, Ford, and Chevy, there was no discernable flex in the door when subjected to this stress. On the Nissan there was about 1.5-inch of flex in the door, partly in the door itself and partly at the hinge itself. On the Toyota, there was 1-inch of flex, mostly in the door itself with a little from the hinge. Differently from the Nissan, the flexure in the Tundra door was in the door itself and not from the window frame. The Toyota has a curved shape to the door exterior, giving it some strength relative to the flat metal of the Titan door. Note that I stopped pulling before doing permanent damage--I'm 5'9" and 230 lbs, just for reference. So what might this mean. Long term, flexure of this sort in any type of rugged use will lead to premature development of rattles. In a side impact accident, the Toyota and Nissan doors may be more easily compromised (opened or damaged) than the others. The inclusion of side air bags in the Tundra may be a partial compensation for this lighter duty construction. If this is typical of the rest of the construction, it may be a case of a vehicle being benchmarked to meet or exceed some capabilities while ignoring more fundamental characteristics of structural strength. My disclaimer--no reputable organization witnessed or certified this test--just me kicking the tires.
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Replying to: westfieldind (Mar 03, 2007 7:55 pm) You do realize that these Toy-lovers on here will disregard your findings due to lack of hard-concrete "numbers". Evidently they are unable to use common sense. ie: kdhspyder needs hard facts and numbers to understand or admit that a fully boxed frame is better. As for flimsy doors, it is understandable since Toy's engineers obviously were prioritizing 0-60 times and making a large truck and didn't consider the entire package taking into account the "little things" that make a good truck great. Flimsy doors will not only lead to rattles, but they will also undoubtedly lead to leaky seals due to inconsistent sealing around the entire perimeter of the door. Doors and hinges that are robust and structurally more rigid will resist air leaks and door "sag" over time. But I suppose spyder will need "numbers' to understand this. But hey!, The Tundra has the best 0-60 time..for the next few months or so at the most (until the 6.2 GM becomes widely available). Now that's what's important, right?
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Ok, Here are some MSRP comparison numbers obtained right here on Edmunds.com. These numbers I found to be extremely accurate with the dealer's numbers, at least on my particular vehicle. Also, these numbers are based on comparably equipped trucks, as noted. 2007 GMC Sierra SLT 4x4 with the following options: 6.0 engine, includes SD tranny, HD rear diff, ext engine cooling, ext tranny cooling, 4 wheel disc brakes. 20" aluminum wheels Power sunroof (retracts INTO roof on crewcabs) Side-head curtain airbags Std on Tundra HD trailering pkg Locking rear Diff (Unavailable on Tundra) Skid plate pkg Engine block heater. MSRP: $42,930 Invoice: $38,995 (Price paid by me) Discounts: (2) $1000 rebates = $2000 total 0% financing for 36 months Net price paid: $36,995 (not including finance charge savings from 0% deal) 2007 Toyota Tundra Crewmax Ltd 5.7 Options: 20" wheels Moonroof Cold Kit TRD Offroad pkg Daytime running lamps. std on GM MSRP: $44,435 (closely represents actual sales price) Invoice: $40,070 Discounts: None? w/ Possible $2500 off MSRP ??? Net price: $41,935 Did I miss anything? Now, tell me which one is less expensive? |
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Replying to: jreagan (Mar 04, 2007 10:12 am) You have every right to enjoy your ride but it's not better for that very questionable feature. It's only your 'impression' that's better. ...and the Tundra tows like crazy with a state-of-the-art 6 spd transmission, ( now there's something you can measure  ) something only a few T900 models can state. When it comes down to hard facts you're barking up the wrong tree. The rest of your statement is supposition at best. That means it carries equal weight as 'it feels more solid'. |
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