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2059 messages, Last post on Mar 29, 2007 at 5:33 AM
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Replying to: pmusce (Mar 03, 2007 12:51 pm) Gas gets over $3/gal and stays there for a while every one will take it in the neck. But to complete the scenario T900's 950K F150 725K Ram 250K Tundra 160K Titan 40K
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Mar 03, 2007 6:04 pm) Toyota buyers will be paying for this financial blunder. GM buyers are still receiving significant discounts off msrp even though GM has their own financial shortcomings to overcome. hmmm, different philosophy I guess. |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Mar 03, 2007 6:06 pm) - that's F-Series, not F-150. That sales volume includes 150 through 550. - the Ram won't drop that far for two reasons... the Cummins diesel in the HD trucks, and the dealer network - there are still those who are concerned about service and familiarity, especially if they're on the road a lot. Plus, the Ram will add 4500/5500 models later this year that will go on the ledger as well. The Ram will still sell in the 325K range. kcram - Pickups Host
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Replying to: jreagan (Mar 03, 2007 6:45 pm) kcram - Pickups Host
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Mar 03, 2007 6:06 pm) Gas gets over $3/gal and stays there for a while every one will take it in the neck. But to complete the scenario T900's 950K F150 725K Ram 250K Tundra 160K Titan 40K " For comparison here are the 2006 numbers: T900's 850K F150 800K Ram 365K Tundra 125K Titan 72K Wow kdhspyder, you predicting a hell of a drop for Ram (115K) and a significant % drop for Titan with the T900's picking up most of the gain. I'm not sure things will shift that drastically. Here's my full prediction: T900's 900K F150 750K Ram 320K Tundra 155K Titan 60K |
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Just wanted to share this with you... As most of you probably know, I have ordered a new GMC Sierra SLT 4x4 6.0l. The dealer had offered me $11,500 for my trade. After mentioning this to my brother, he immediately said he wanted to buy my truck. Well, I told him he would have to pay me the $11,500 plus the $750 in sales tax savings I would be saving by trading it in since you only pay sales tax on the net purchase price after trade in. Well, my dealer then mentioned we could do a dealer "pass-thru" which means I would trade it in for $11,500, saving me the sales tax and they would turn around and sell it to him for $11,500 plus a small documentation fee (for title transfer, etc). He still pays sales tax, but didn't have to pay me my tax savings. Anyway, he sold his truck in order to buy mine and has been without a vehicle for the past 2 weeks or so while waiting for mine to arrive. It was due to arrive last Wed and I was planning on picking it up today. But since we have had 2 consecutive snowstorms here in MN over the past week (10 inches last weekend and 14" late last week) The transport company could not get it there on Wed. Keep in mind, my dealer is no longer able to make any money on my trade, so my purchase is their only source of profit, and they sold to me at invoice, so their profits are limited to about 6% in dealer "holdbacks" and maybe a few hundred dollars in other factory volume discounts. I wasn't in a big hurry since I have a truck and I kinda preferred to wait until the storms passed to take delivery anyway. But my brother was without a vehicle and wanted my truck. The dealer said to come on in anyway and trade in my truck so he can take it and they gave me a FREE loaner to use until my truck is ready for delivery about mid-week. The truck will be there on Monday, but I am having several dealer-installed accessories put on. The dealer did NOT have to do this and offered this without me even mentioning it. Then today, I asked about GM's "Auto Butler" program. It is a paint sealant program where every 6 months for 5 years (10 times total) you bring in the truck and they detail it inside and out and reapply the paint sealant. So, basically for 5 yrs I do not have to detail or wax my truck. This program sells for $500. I mentioned that a friend of mine bought a $50k Yukon Denali last Dec and they threw in the Auto Butler for free. I mentioned that I didn't necessarily expect the same deal since he spent $50k and paid well over invoice. I kinda was hoping to get him to knock off $100 bucks or so, or maybe even half price? Well, he then said he would give it to me for $99. Remember, he did this for me AFTER the deal was done and paperwork was signed. He did NOT have to offer me even one penny off. I am pretty sure they will not make money at $99, but he knew I wanted it and wanted me to be happy. How's that for being treated right? In the long run, offering me that will pay off for them because I will tell this story as I am sure many others will and it will bring them more business. I know one guy at work now who is thinking of buying a new GM and I will highly recommend this dealer to him. Yet another reason GM has such a loyalty base.
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Replying to: jreagan (Mar 03, 2007 6:45 pm) As to incentives... from day one they have been subventing the financing rate which is unheard of by Toyota on an initial launch. From the first week some dealers have also been offering up to $2500 off sticker. That's another shocker if true.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Mar 03, 2007 7:16 pm)
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Replying to: kcram (Mar 03, 2007 7:09 pm) Both Ford and Dodge are downsizing. Ford's I know already effect the F-series with the closure of Norfolk. Dodge? maybe too early to tell. |
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Replying to: kcram (Mar 03, 2007 7:11 pm) Of course not, but higher invoice pricing drives up MSRP pricing.
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