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A-TRAC (Active-Traction Control) by gtoskyline
Mar 03, 2007 (1:39 pm)
Active-TRAC (A-TRAC) is the system for off-road 4WD vehicles. This system consists of independent four wheel brake control system and engine torque control system. This system applies the brake to any spinning wheel, and sends torque to the other wheels with grip. Therefore, the vehicle gets strong LSD(Limited Slip Differential) effect, and it has the same traction performance as a center and rear differential locked vehicle.
 
A-Trac has been proved in other Toyota off-roaders like FJ Cruiser, Land Cruiser, 4Runner.
 
Tundra 4x4 comes with A-Trac standard.
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Re: Non-subjective [belias] by jreagan
Mar 03, 2007 (1:43 pm)

Replying to: belias (Mar 03, 2007 1:25 pm)

Good, I am tired of you twisting around my words anyway. "Don't let the door hit you in the....(insert body part here) on the way out".
 
I even quoted for you where you questioned Toyota's reliability for you and you still didn't own up to it, even though it was YOUR post.
 
I replied, asking you where in that post did I say Toyota's had poor reliability? IT DOESN'T SAY THAT!!!!!!!! DUH!!! I merely stated you cannot rate a BRAND NEW, segment entering truck based on previous small trucks or cars ratings. Reliability on the Tundra is yet to be known, by anyone!!! Period. GM has redesigned theirs many many times over the past 100 yrs, and yes, this is a new design as well, so reliability on the new GM's is also yet to be known for sure, but predicting their reliability is much more accurate since they have been improving on a current platform for decades. Got it?
 
You have no clue as to how much research I have done or where I have done it. I have been to Toyota's website, many times. I have also been inside a Tundra. Have you been inside both? Driven either? Just because I do not value magazine's opinions and biased comparisons does not make me uneducated on the subject. Go reread my posts, most of the time I am defending GM, not bashing Toyota. And the only way I do bash Toyota is on personal subjective opinions, which I have a right to do. I also have criticized Toy fans for misrepresenting the GM's and their beloved Toys.
I have said many times that I think the Tundra is a good truck, but I do not believe it is better then the GM's. I also add my personal opinion about the ugliness of it, what's wrong with that? Why does this forum just have to compare hard numbers and facts, many of which are inaccurate or subjective anyway (such as towing ratings). I still want to know how GM and Toy (and all other's for that matter) come up with these bogus overinflated ratings anyway. What criteria do they use and do they use the same criteria? I highly doubt it.
 
Oh and BTW, the blonde joke was just that.. A JOKE!!! Hence the "hahaha" after it, geez, lighten up for cryin' out loud. Like you've never told a blonde joke before? You're unbelievable.
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Re: A-TRAC (Active-Traction Control) [gtoskyline] by jreagan
Mar 03, 2007 (1:46 pm)

Replying to: gtoskyline (Mar 03, 2007 1:39 pm)

What about on-road traction while in 2wd? How often does the average person use 4wd or goes offroad? Based on everyday use, especially on boat ramps, etc, the rear locker is a huge benefit. Why can't Toy fans admit that an obviously good feature such as a rear locker is worthwhile?
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Re: A-TRAC (Active-Traction Control) [jreagan] by gtoskyline
Mar 03, 2007 (1:57 pm)

Replying to: jreagan (Mar 03, 2007 1:46 pm)

In 2wd, Auto Limited Slip Differential
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Re: A-TRAC (Active-Traction Control) [gtoskyline] by jreagan
Mar 03, 2007 (2:01 pm)

Replying to: gtoskyline (Mar 03, 2007 1:57 pm)

Limited slip is good, Rear locking is BETTER!!!
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Re: Non-subjective [belias] by pmusce
Mar 03, 2007 (4:24 pm)

Replying to: belias (Mar 03, 2007 1:25 pm)

Belias,
 
In case your interested, I understand chevy is coming out with its own 'mega cab' to counter the Ram. I can't remember the name of it at this moment and I'm not sure when it's coming out. My guess would be 2008/9.
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Re: Non-subjective [belias] by pmusce
Mar 03, 2007 (4:28 pm)

Replying to: belias (Mar 03, 2007 1:04 pm)

I re-checked my numbers and yours are right.
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Pmusce by drfill
Mar 03, 2007 (5:46 pm)
That is a pretty good guess, considering Toyota will not have full-ramp up of CrewMax until the end of April, at the earliest.
 
   I predict Tundra will reach 20k a couple of times this year, most probably Sept. and Dec. of this year.
 
   Next year, I'd be shocked if 220k is not reached.
 
   DrFill
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Re: Non-subjective [maple2] by kdhspyder
Mar 03, 2007 (5:57 pm)

Replying to: maple2 (Mar 03, 2007 9:36 am)

Here are the numbers off the two respecitive sites for the same configurations.
 
From my post #1016 in this forum:
 
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GMT900 EC 2WD 5.3L ... DC 2WD 5.7L
Model ....Silvy .... Sierra .... Tundra
Base Pr. 28590 .... 28990 .... 28110
Freight.... 900 ....... 900 ......... 645
Total..... 29490 .... 29890 .... 28755 ( $700 and $1100 less expensive )
  
But the T900's are missing the following equipment
6 Speed tranny - Not Available at any price
Side and curtain airbags - $395
Stabilitrak - $425
Tow Package!!! - $675
Damped Tailgate - $95
  
So just to bring the T900's up to the same equipment level as the Tundra you have to add $1590 to a Base which is already $700 to $1100 higher than the Tundra.

Unquote
Again this is for the 5.3L the 6.0L is more and the Max Trailering package has to be added to get the top towing capacity. That's a significant pricing advantage for the Tundra ( or alternately a content advantage if the prices are kept the same ).
 
Now the pricing in Canada may be entirely different, I know that there is a lot of discussion about it on Ts but the impression I got was that the Tundra was very very reasonable.
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Re: "Real" Pricing [jreagan] by kdhspyder
Mar 03, 2007 (6:04 pm)

Replying to: jreagan (Mar 03, 2007 11:32 am)

None are out yet. The initial ones like in every launch will be at or near MSRP of about $45000.
 
When some are available after 6 months like the T900's it'll be a good comparison.

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