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Re: Non-subjective [jreagan] by toykicks
Mar 03, 2007 (12:30 pm)

Replying to: jreagan (Mar 03, 2007 11:27 am)

the tundra does have engine oil cooling and tranny cooling, rear diff is HD same size as a dana 60-70 4 13inch+ brakes, prewired for brake controller also.
 
A sr5 5.7 DC tundra with TRD, camera, sonar, 6 cd plyr w/ aux,fog lights engine and fuel tank skid plates run for 31k
 
 a ext. cab 5.3 silverado with the same options and safety options like stabilitrak engine block heater 3.73 axle ratio and safety package & reg cloth seats puts you at 33k msrp Sonar and rear view camera not included
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Re: Non-subjective [jreagan] by gtoskyline
Mar 03, 2007 (12:47 pm)

Replying to: jreagan (Mar 03, 2007 11:27 am)

A-Trac performs much better than rear-differential locker alone in most situations.
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Lets make some predictions by pmusce
Mar 03, 2007 (12:51 pm)
We can debate Silverado vs Tundra until we are blue in the face and I don't think anyone will change their mind in either direction. Both are very good trucks, thats for sure.
 
Why don't we try making some predictions. How Many Tundra's do you think Toyota will sell in 2007?
 
I'll stick my neck out first.
 
Tundra 2007 Sales = 155,000
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Re: Non-subjective [toykicks] by jreagan
Mar 03, 2007 (12:57 pm)

Replying to: toykicks (Mar 03, 2007 12:30 pm)

You didn't answer my question. How much would I have to actually pay for a Tundra 5.7 Crewmax, fully loaded? Don't give me msrp numbers for GM's, they are NOT what you pay. I paid Invoice less $2000 (rebates) and got 0% for 36 months on my GMC Sierra SLT 6.0l fully loaded.
I want to know if I had chosen the equally equipped Tundra, how much more or less I would have paid. Simple as that.
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Re: Non-subjective [gtoskyline] by jreagan
Mar 03, 2007 (1:01 pm)

Replying to: gtoskyline (Mar 03, 2007 12:47 pm)

A-Trac performs much better than rear-differential locker alone in most situations
 
You are comparing 2 different things here. The GM's have the same technology as Toyota (Stabilitrak), they just use different terminology. PLUS, they have Rear lockers (available) and Autotrac 4x4 transfer case (std on all 4x4's).
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Re: Lets make some predictions [pmusce] by jreagan
Mar 03, 2007 (1:04 pm)

Replying to: pmusce (Mar 03, 2007 12:51 pm)

I'll predict the GMC Sierra alone will outsell the Tundra (Not including Silverado sales).
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Re: Non-subjective [pmusce] by belias
Mar 03, 2007 (1:04 pm)

Replying to: pmusce (Mar 02, 2007 8:12 pm)

Actually, that is incorrect... the Silverado is 229.9" and the Tundra is 228.7" (crew cabs for both). So, the Tundra is getting a total of 4.2" extra inches from the space they're using than the Silverado. That is getting 6" interior - 3" exterior + 1.2" shorter than the SIlverado...
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Re: Non-subjective [jreagan] by gtoskyline
Mar 03, 2007 (1:24 pm)

Replying to: jreagan (Mar 03, 2007 1:01 pm)

Looks like you don't understand how A-Trac works. Thhe Active Traction Control, is not the regular power-cutting traction control, and also has nothing to do with VSC.
 
" Active-TRAC (A-TRAC) is the system for off-road 4WD vehicles. This system consists of independent four wheel brake control system and engine torque control system. This system applies the brake to any spinning wheel, and sends torque to the other wheels with grip. Therefore, the vehicle gets strong LSD(Limited Slip Differential) effect, and it has the same traction performance as a center and rear differential locked vehicle. "
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Re: Non-subjective [jreagan] by belias
Mar 03, 2007 (1:25 pm)

Replying to: jreagan (Mar 02, 2007 8:18 pm)

jreagan likes to assert his own subjective opinions above any facts in this comparison. That is why he always ends up resorting to either say the Tundra is ugly or that the Silverado will have a feature next year or later this year.
I think this board has worn out on me... I respect pmusce's posts much more than yours because he is using numbers from both Toyota and Chevy's sites and he is able to accept the fact that he has occasionally made mistakes; like many of us have. But you jreagan, have yet to post any numbers from Toyota's site. You like to cotinually avoide answering even straight-forward questions directly. Instead you bring up other off-subject topics that distract readers from actually dealing with the comparison.
If you want to learn anything (which I think is the real issue here -- you don't) from what people are posting here, you need to deal with separate issues separately! There is a revelation for you!
I think the other aspect, though I've mentioned it dozens of times is that you're taking this way too personally. That is why you keep attacking others when you can't substantiate your own claims. I even quoted for you where you questioned Toyota's reliability for you and you still didn't own up to it, even though it was YOUR post.
Bottom line, I see nothing substantial that you've brought to this discussion other then get people to be distracted from actual direct comparisons.
Pmusce is at least making good efforts to post down numbers and facts and we're collectively weeding out mistaken information.
Just do us all a favor and go to Toyota's web site and at least LOOK at the numbers, specs; take the tours, etc. Do all the things other posters are doing here. I'm posting from Chevy and Toyota's site; pmusce is doing so too, kdhspyder is as well, even the Titan guy is doing it and he doesn't have much vested interest in where this goes. Just do that for us, and then make some posts on what you've observed.
Hearing you call the Tundra ugly for the nth time is just not productive. You have a right to your opinion -- and I've said this over and over again -- get what ever you want and say how you feel about the trucks, but don't misrepresent the information for your benefit! That doesn't give you any credibility. And knocking women drivers with your past posts leads me to believe that you're posting simply to "flame" not actually make a useful contribution.
Anyhow, I'm done with this forum, there isn't much new that hasn't been already covered. I think the main discoveries for me about the Silverado are the 12-way power seats on both sides, locking differential, and perhaps some heating for the rear-seat passengers. I still wish it had a bigger rear seat -- and yes, I would use that extra space as I have two large dogs to deal with and cart around -- unfortunately only the Dodge Ram offers something like that and it is a full 19" longer of a truck. Glad to hear that the 2008 Titans will get full beds and more configurations to boot too. That truck has one of the best interiors! Have fun with the forum!
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Re: Non-subjective [belias] by jreagan
Mar 03, 2007 (1:25 pm)

Replying to: belias (Mar 03, 2007 1:04 pm)

Actually, that is incorrect... the Silverado is 229.9" and the Tundra is 228.7" (crew cabs for both). So, the Tundra is getting a total of 4.2" extra inches from the space they're using than the Silverado. That is getting 6" interior - 3" exterior + 1.2" shorter than the SIlverado...
 
And this saying what?
Bottom line: Tundra is sacrificing box space for rear seat cab space, correct?
There is no direct advantage or disadvantage here, it is all dependant on which you value more. I personally would rather have the extra box space since I think the back seat in the Crewcab GM's is more than sufficient. Now, if I planned on chaufering around NBA players, then I may rethink that.
I sat in the backseat of the GM Crewcab again today and it was plenty roomy, not cramped one bit. More room then our full size 4-door sedan has (2004 Impala).

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