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Re: Silverado Advantages [pmusce] by titancrew
Mar 02, 2007 (11:54 pm)

Replying to: pmusce (Mar 02, 2007 10:44 pm)

Front sonar for parking/slow speed maneuvering. There's been more than a few times when I wished my Titan had front sonars in tight spaces. It's hard to judge the where the front bumper is on a big truck.
 
Let's see some real world mpg numbers for the GM 5.3L V8. My Titan Crewcab 4x4 is averaging about 14mpg (actually 13.8, but what's a couple of tenths). That's about 75% city, 25% highway. And that number is from my calculations not the on-board computer (My Titan don't have one anyway, so I keep track of the MPG at every fill-up). I bet the 5.3 would have a difficult time achieving the EPA estimates.
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Re: Silverado Advantages [titancrew] by pmusce
Mar 03, 2007 (4:49 am)

Replying to: titancrew (Mar 02, 2007 11:54 pm)

titancrew, every vehicle for sale today would have a hard time ahieving the over-inflated EPA estimates. The EPA formula used to 2008 is more realistic. Besides, I said it had the best mileage based on EPA in the full size truck industry, which is true.
 
The 5.3 is the engine I would get if I was buying a Silverado today. I have no need for the 6.0. The 5.3 is by far the most popular configuration that the GMT900's are sold. Its got a very good combination of power and fuel economy, which will only get better when it gets the 6-speed auto in 2008.
 
Front sonar sounds useful and I can see the benefit of it.
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Re: Silverado Advantages [titancrew] by pmusce
Mar 03, 2007 (4:59 am)

Replying to: titancrew (Mar 02, 2007 10:57 pm)

"Toyota's and Nissan's DOHC have more Low-end torque than GM's OHV. Isn't OHV supposed to have more Low-end torque?"
 
titancrew, did I ever say OHV has more low-end torque? Anyone who makes those kinds of blanket statements about OHV or OHC with respect to any performance characteristics would be wrong.
 
"Did you measure the gaps? Let's see some numbers"
Go look for yourself. I don't need to measure the see what is obvious. I can also tell you a Lexus LS had tighter gaps than a Cadillac STS without measuring.
 
"Since that last gen Tundra had 6 bolts wheels, does that make it more capable than the current gen or more heavy duty? I guess the Tacoma must be a HD truck too. My point is that Ford and Dodge have used 5 bolts for years with no problems. HD pickups have 8 bolts btw."
 
What would you rather have if given the choice, a 5 bolt wheel or a 6 bolt wheel?
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Re: Silverado Advantages [pmusce] by dieselone
Mar 03, 2007 (5:55 am)

Replying to: pmusce (Mar 03, 2007 4:49 am)

GM needs the 6 speed for the 5.3 and 6.0 big time. My 5.3 powered suburban w/ trailer tow package w/ 3.73 gears struggles to pull my near 5000lb boat through the hills.
 
A friend of mine tows a boat that is about 1000lbs heavier than mine with an Armada and he just smokes me in the hills. I struggle to maintain 45 and he's cruising at 60+ up the same hill.
 
Two problems hurt the 5.3 while towing. Torque peak at 4000+rpm. I don't care what the torque curve shows, this engine needs to rev for power. Off idle torque is good but midrange lacks punch until 3500+rpm. Add this to tall gearing and wide ratio spacing and the hills become a problem when towing, unless you don't mind listening to the engine scream at 5000+rpm on a 100 degree day.
 
When I've driven the Armada, it feels like it's packing a big block. So much off the line and midrange torque plus aggressive gearing. 1 extra gear makes a big difference, particularly when towing. I'd put nissan's 5.6 w/5pseed in my suburban over my 5.3/4speed or 6.0/4speed any day.
 
Just wish I could get a diesel in an Expedition or Suburban.
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Re: Non-subjective [iqbaldhillon2] by jreagan
Mar 03, 2007 (7:05 am)

Replying to: iqbaldhillon2 (Mar 02, 2007 8:35 pm)

but the exterior (in person) is ugly!
 
In person? Well maybe when you are standing in front of it.
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Re: Silverado Advantages [pmusce] by jreagan
Mar 03, 2007 (7:17 am)

Replying to: pmusce (Mar 02, 2007 10:44 pm)

"Tundra has FRONT and rear sonar...is that available on Silverado?"
The Silverado has rear sonar. What is Front sonar for?

 
Blonde women drivers? hahaha Now dat's funny, I don't care who ya are, dat's funny...Git-R-Done!!!
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Re: Silverado Advantages [titancrew] by jreagan
Mar 03, 2007 (7:20 am)

Replying to: titancrew (Mar 02, 2007 11:54 pm)

Front sonar for parking/slow speed maneuvering. There's been more than a few times when I wished my Titan had front sonars in tight spaces. It's hard to judge the where the front bumper is on a big truck.
 
Then you shouldn't be driving a truck. I have been driving a full size truck since 1990 and I NEVER have a problem. I can pull to within 2 inches of a wall or car in front of me without bumping it or seeing it. Learn to drive.
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Re: Silverado Advantages [dieselone] by jreagan
Mar 03, 2007 (7:24 am)

Replying to: dieselone (Mar 03, 2007 5:55 am)

I can't argue this one, but later this year, it won't be an issue. The GM's will be using a 6-speed automatic. So, for the next few months, Toy has the advantage here. For me, a 4-spd will be sufficient since I only tow about 3500#'s and I have the 6.0l.
#1297 of 2059
Re: Non-subjective [toykicks] by maple2
Mar 03, 2007 (7:58 am)

Replying to: toykicks (Mar 02, 2007 8:42 pm)

Its really hard to like the silvy/sierra to get the same capabilities you need to pay extra for a 6.0 and not have the same towing acceleration or standard safety features in the tundra.
 
why is it hard to like the sily/sierra because you have to pay extra for the 6.0? Is toyota giving the 5.7 for free?
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Re: Non-subjective [maple2] by toykicks
Mar 03, 2007 (9:17 am)

Replying to: maple2 (Mar 03, 2007 7:58 am)

the ext. cab 5.3 sierra is priced around the same as a 5.7 dc tundra. 6.0s runs for 3k more
 
Sierra/silverado with the 5.3 engine doesnt really stand out vs. the titan tundra and hemi which are priced around the same or lower. The 6.0 has less power and doesnt peak torque lower then the 5.7 tundra and averages 2-3 mpgs less then the tundra in most tests & has restricted power to extend drivetrain durability.
 

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