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2059 messages, Last post on Mar 29, 2007 at 5:33 AM
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Replying to: pmusce (Mar 02, 2007 8:52 pm) http://www.toyota.com/tundra/options.html 2) Personally, I prefer the front hinge doors on the Tundra. Don't have to open front doors first before you can open rear doors. Plus the B-pillar probably helps the structural integrity of the Cab. 5) All Tundra engines have DOHC, 4valves per cylinder. GM gassers still have cam in block and 2 valves per cylinder. Only DURAMAX have 4 valves...only because Isuzu help design it.  6) Tundra gets better gas mileage in real world (Trailer Boats, Edmunds) testing. EPA estimates are just that...estimates. 13 & 14) Remote start and satellite radio is available on Tundra http://www.toyota.com/tundra/accessories.html 16) I've seen the new Tundra and Silverado in the same showroom and the body gaps of either one did not jump out at me...so unless someone has taken some gap measurements, this is just speculation. Toyota claimed they made the gap bigger on purpose, but how do we know the gaps are larger than the Silverado's. Get tape out and go measure it. 17) Why is 6 bolts better? 5 bolts can be just as strong or stronger than 6 bolts. Ford and Dodge 1/2 tons uses 5 bolts with no problems. Last Gen Tundra had 6 bolts. Maybe they found that 5 is just as good. Tundra has FRONT and rear sonar...is that available on Silverado? Tundra has backup camera without NAVI...is that available on Silverado? Get you facts straight. Oh, BTW...my Titan have the electronic locking rear diff...still haven't need to use it yet. Electronic limited-slip a.k.a ABLS (same as Auto LSD on Tundra) and 4-lo have gotten me through a muddy stream up to the hubs and up a wet grassy slope just fine. My dad's '90 Toyota 4x4 with open diffs actually got up that hill better (very little tire slip) than my Titan. He thinks it's because his Toyota is much lighter than My Titan. But I think better tires than the BFG Rugged Trails would help more. |
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Replying to: kcram (Mar 02, 2007 9:38 pm) BTW, the diesel is the wave of the future. Hybrids are too complex IMO. Hybrid may even be just an interim technology. But diesels have a lot of untapped potential for both power and fuel economy. Give me a 250 hp diesel with 450 ft lbs. at 1800 rpm and and an honest 30 mpg highway and I'd be one happy camper. 1offroader
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Replying to: 1offroader (Mar 02, 2007 9:49 pm)  4k RPM). Too bad they don't have the data all the way down to about 1500 rpm. I suspected that Nissan under-rated the Titan's V8 as soon as I bought one. No way 305hp runs away from Hemi's 345hp. Nissan needs to add VVT to the Titan engine to improve high RPM Power. It's the high RPM that the Tundra engines runs away from the Titan. I'm still waiting for Toyota to put their new 4.5L V8 Turbo Diesel in the 1/2 ton Tundra. I'll buy that one!
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Replying to: titancrew (Mar 02, 2007 9:45 pm) http://www.toyota.com/tundra/options.html" My mistake. I missed that on the Toyota site. "2) Personally, I prefer the front hinge doors on the Tundra. Don't have to open front doors first before you can open rear doors. Plus the B-pillar probably helps the structural integrity of the Cab." If I need 4 doors, I would get a proper crew cab. Entry/Exit on the those mini doors is terrible. Your comment on structural integrity is not based on any factual data. GM has had extended cabs with clamshell openings for years and their are no structural integrity issues. "5) All Tundra engines have DOHC, 4valves per cylinder. GM gassers still have cam in block and 2 valves per cylinder. Only DURAMAX have 4 valves...only because Isuzu help design it." Your response has nothing to do with my point that Toyota's 4.7 uses a belt instead of chains. As far as I am concerned, I hope GM stays with overhead valve for their trucks. The OHC/OHV argument has been done to death. "6) Tundra gets better gas mileage in real world (Trailer Boats, Edmunds) testing. EPA estimates are just that...estimates" Sorry read my post carefully. The 5.7 Tundra does not get better real world mileage than the 5.3 Silverado. Trailer Boats and Edmunds never tested the 5.3 Silverado. 13 & 14) Remote start and satellite radio is available on Tundra http://www.toyota.com/tundra/accessories.html My mistake again. "16) I've seen the new Tundra and Silverado in the same showroom and the body gaps of either one did not jump out at me...so unless someone has taken some gap measurements, this is just speculation. Toyota claimed they made the gap bigger on purpose, but how do we know the gaps are larger than the Silverado's. Get tape out and go measure it." I've seen them as well and it is pretty evident that the gaps are larger on the Tundra. Toyota even acknowledged thsi fact when they claimed that designed the larger gaps purposely for a tougher look. 17) Why is 6 bolts better? 5 bolts can be just as strong or stronger than 6 bolts. Ford and Dodge 1/2 tons uses 5 bolts with no problems. Last Gen Tundra had 6 bolts. Maybe they found that 5 is just as good. Are you serious? All heavy duty trucks have 6 bolts. Why do you think that is? your stretching on this one. "Tundra has FRONT and rear sonar...is that available on Silverado?" The Silverado has rear sonar. What is Front sonar for? Tundra has backup camera without NAVI...is that available on Silverado?" I don't think it is. "Get you facts straight." Hey I'm willing to admit when I've posted something that is not factual, which is more than I can say for most people on this board. "Oh, BTW...my Titan have the electronic locking rear diff...still haven't need to use it yet. Electronic limited-slip a.k.a ABLS (same as Auto LSD on Tundra) and 4-lo have gotten me through a muddy stream up to the hubs and up a wet grassy slope just fine. My dad's '90 Toyota 4x4 with open diffs actually got up that hill better (very little tire slip) than my Titan. He thinks it's because his Toyota is much lighter than My Titan. But I think better tires than the BFG Rugged Trails would help more." Just because you don't think a rear locker is useful does not take away the fact that Silverado has it available and the Tundra does not. |
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Replying to: pmusce (Mar 02, 2007 10:44 pm) Did you measure the gaps? Let's see some numbers. Since that last gen Tundra had 6 bolts wheels, does that make it more capable than the current gen or more heavy duty? I guess the Tacoma must be a HD truck too. My point is that Ford and Dodge have used 5 bolts for years with no problems. HD pickups have 8 bolts btw. Tundra with 5.7L also have 10.5" ring gear. All other have 9.5" ring gear. To get 9.5" ring gear on GM, you need to order the Tow Package and that's the largest one available.
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Replying to: pmusce (Mar 02, 2007 10:44 pm) Let's see some real world mpg numbers for the GM 5.3L V8. My Titan Crewcab 4x4 is averaging about 14mpg (actually 13.8, but what's a couple of tenths). That's about 75% city, 25% highway. And that number is from my calculations not the on-board computer (My Titan don't have one anyway, so I keep track of the MPG at every fill-up). I bet the 5.3 would have a difficult time achieving the EPA estimates. |
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Replying to: titancrew (Mar 02, 2007 11:54 pm) The 5.3 is the engine I would get if I was buying a Silverado today. I have no need for the 6.0. The 5.3 is by far the most popular configuration that the GMT900's are sold. Its got a very good combination of power and fuel economy, which will only get better when it gets the 6-speed auto in 2008. Front sonar sounds useful and I can see the benefit of it.
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Replying to: titancrew (Mar 02, 2007 10:57 pm) titancrew, did I ever say OHV has more low-end torque? Anyone who makes those kinds of blanket statements about OHV or OHC with respect to any performance characteristics would be wrong. "Did you measure the gaps? Let's see some numbers" Go look for yourself. I don't need to measure the see what is obvious. I can also tell you a Lexus LS had tighter gaps than a Cadillac STS without measuring. "Since that last gen Tundra had 6 bolts wheels, does that make it more capable than the current gen or more heavy duty? I guess the Tacoma must be a HD truck too. My point is that Ford and Dodge have used 5 bolts for years with no problems. HD pickups have 8 bolts btw." What would you rather have if given the choice, a 5 bolt wheel or a 6 bolt wheel? |
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Replying to: pmusce (Mar 03, 2007 4:49 am) A friend of mine tows a boat that is about 1000lbs heavier than mine with an Armada and he just smokes me in the hills. I struggle to maintain 45 and he's cruising at 60+ up the same hill. Two problems hurt the 5.3 while towing. Torque peak at 4000+rpm. I don't care what the torque curve shows, this engine needs to rev for power. Off idle torque is good but midrange lacks punch until 3500+rpm. Add this to tall gearing and wide ratio spacing and the hills become a problem when towing, unless you don't mind listening to the engine scream at 5000+rpm on a 100 degree day. When I've driven the Armada, it feels like it's packing a big block. So much off the line and midrange torque plus aggressive gearing. 1 extra gear makes a big difference, particularly when towing. I'd put nissan's 5.6 w/5pseed in my suburban over my 5.3/4speed or 6.0/4speed any day. Just wish I could get a diesel in an Expedition or Suburban.
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Replying to: iqbaldhillon2 (Mar 02, 2007 8:35 pm) In person? Well maybe when you are standing in front of it. |
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