Last post on Mar 29, 2007 at 5:33 AM
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Toyota Tundra, Chevrolet Silverado 1500, Truck
#1273 of 2059 Re: Reply to Belias [belias]
Mar 02, 2007 (8:32 pm)
Continuing my reply to your post:
"-more cup/thermos holders across the line"
Have you been in each configuration of each vehicle and counted them? I’m not sure how many the tundra has, but I know the Silverado has one for each passenger, which seems reasonable. Are you seriously listing this as a benefit?
"- much more advanced Navigation system (see audio/voice controls section and POI numbers, integration with other onboard systems)"
This one is pretty vague. Care to explain what makes it more advanced? Here is what the Silverado Nav does:
‘The new Touch-Screen Navigation Radio,(1) available in LTZ Crew Cab models, helps ensure you have the right map at hand during your travels. And, unlike a paper map, this system can help you get back on track if you happen to make a wrong turn. Included is a 6.5-inch-diagonal, full-color touch-screen display with the ability to play a CD (or DVD when the available rear-seat entertainment system is ordered) and use the navigation DVD. Also featured is voice recognition with the ability to respond to up to 26 commands.
• When the navigation disc is inserted and the address is entered, a route map is generated (accompanied by audio and/or text) that provides step-by-step instructions as well as points of interest, such as hotels and restaurants (if requested).
• These commands tell drivers when to turn and alert them if they stray from the calculated route.
• If a wrong turn is made, the system automatically recalculates a new route from the current position.
The navigation radio lets drivers select between routes using either the shortest path or the one that utilizes major roads.’
"- rear child-door locks on the Tundra"
Also available on Silverado
"- standard side, side-curtain, and front air bags for Tundra where just the fronts are standard on the Chevy with the option to have side-curtains on some models (no sides available)."
Silverado front airbags are Dual-stage air bags. They sense the severity of a crash and determine if the air bags should be deployed and whether a full or less-than-full amount of inflation will be used.
The standard Passenger Sensing System automatically switches the right-front passenger front air bag on or off based on the passenger’s weight and the type of pressure on the seat.
The Silverado’s Head-Curtain side impact is one integrated airbag that combines complete side-head coverage. Deployed upon sensing a rollover, these air bags cover the first and second rows of Crew and Extended Cab models, or the driver and outboard passenger of Regular Cab models. Plus, they are designed to stay inflated for up to six seconds to help reduce the risk of ejection in the unlikely event of a rollover.
"- bigger brakes all the way around with 4-piston calipers up front Tundra. "
Many things make up good braking performance. The Silverado beat the Tundra in braking in both C&D and Motor Trend comparisons.
"- windshield wiper de-icer grid with timer for rapid defrosting of windshield on Tundra."
The Silverado has heated windshield washer fluid. The system heats the fluid to 170 degrees Fahrenheit. Which one do you think will defrost ice faster?
"- Vehicle Stability Control, Traction Control, ABS with EBD, and Brake Assist on Tundra as opposed to ABS and StabiliTrak on Silverado"
The Silverado has all those features:
All Silverado and Silverado HD models come equipped with a standard four-wheel antilock brake system (ABS) — a crash-avoidance feature that helps prevent wheel lockup during braking in most slippery road conditions. The brakes also include Dynamic Rear Proportioning, which regulates front and rear brake pressure to optimize performance under varying load conditions.
StabiliTrak helps Silverado 1500 models surround you in 360 degrees of safety. This system helps improve vehicle stability, particularly during emergency maneuvers. The system, standard on Crew Cab models and available on select Extended Cab models, also includes Proactive Roll Avoidance, which reduces the risk of a rollover. Here’s how StabiliTrak works:
• The StabiliTrak control module compares your steering input with the truck’s actual response and then, if necessary, makes small, individual brake applications to enhance control and keep you on track.
• StabiliTrak automatically intervenes when it senses loss of lateral traction (sideslip), understeer (plowing) or oversteer (fishtailing).
In these situations, the system applies brake pressure and, if necessary, adjusts engine torque to help the driver get the vehicle back on track.
"- Information centers on Tundra contain more information then what is displayed on the Silverado"
Such as? Here is what the Silverado Info Centre has:
The standard DIC features an expanded array of alerts and a larger display window that shows two rows of characters. New pushbutton controls are located to the right of the gauge cluster for quick access to trip computer functions:
• Trip/Fuel: Displays the odometer, trip odometer, fuel range, average economy, fuel used, timer, transmission temperature and Active Fuel Management™ indicator (if equipped)
• Vehicle Information: Displays Silverado powertrain, security and chassis messages such as oil life, engine hours, engine hot or overheated, Tire Pressure Monitor, door or hood open, washer fluid and StabiliTrak on/off
• Customization: Customize vehicle features to your preference, including language, remote door lock and unlock, exit and approach lighting, loudness of vehicle chimes, seat memory recall and remote start enable
Set/Reset: Set or reset certain vehicle functions as well as acknowledge DIC messages
"- Tundra has better performance in acceleration, handling, handling under load, and braking then the Silverado (as mentioned by performance numbers in virtually every comparison test).
-Better power/torque numbers for the Tundra"
I’ll give you acceleration for the 5.7 (although this will change in 2008 when the 6.2 becomes available in the Silverado). The 4.7 Tundra is a slug and is outdone by the 4.8/5.3 Silverado due to Silverado’s weight advantage. Handling and Handling under load are subjective and I’ve seen comparisons that have favoured both. Braking has been won by Silverado in both C&D and Motor Trend. I noticed you failed to mention ride? Every test I have read had given the ride advantage to Silverado.
"- Towing payload numbers favor Tundra in various configurations by 2 to 1."
Sorry I posted all the configurations a few days ago and it was a tossup. You are still assuming the Max Trailoring Package is not available on the Silverado which is false.
"- More power points in Tundra then in the Silverado (3 or 4 to 2)"
The Silverado has two on the dash and one in the centre console. You get a fourth with the available rear audio controls.
#1274 of 2059 Re: Non-subjective [1offroader]
Mar 02, 2007 (8:35 pm)
P.S. The pushrod design also has a timing chain, but it is MUCH less susceptible to breakage due to its much shorter length and the fact that it always turns in the same direction. The OHC belt makes a bunch of loops, changes direction, etc. with increased wear and tear. It is also much longer, with more opportunity to develop a weak link.
#1275 of 2059 Re: Non-subjective [jreagan]
Mar 02, 2007 (8:35 pm)
Dont get me started the Chevy has a nice interior, but the exterior (in person) is ugly! I can't bear to see it. The Tundra in person is a very beautiful truck, and I for one love the interior.BTW.. If you think I'm trying to back up Toyota i'm not, I've owned and '05 Silverado, very nice truck, but not anymore. Tundra is very good!
#1276 of 2059 Re: Non-subjective [jreagan]
Mar 02, 2007 (8:42 pm)
Thats your opinion. I think the tundra looks freaken awesome, agressive front end doesnt look average or bland & interior isnt as bad as most people say here and its aimed at functionality not style (screw fake wood). You need to look at it in person not in pictures the tundra Is a beaut but thats my opinion. I like the silverado also but its average same styling cues as always doesnt really stand out from the rest of the 1/2 tons. Its really hard to like the silvy/sierra to get the same capabilities you need to pay extra for a 6.0 and not have the same towing acceleration or standard safety features in the tundra. You dont get the 3/4 ton differential either in the sierra or silvy
#1277 of 2059 Re: Non-subjective [iqbaldhillon2]
Mar 02, 2007 (8:44 pm)
Looks are subjective. I think the Chevy looks better than before and I also like the Tundra. I think that you can better tailor the chevy because of the ability to order individual options vs. a few packages on the Toy. Pay your money and take your choice.
#1278 of 2059 Re: Non-subjective [iqbaldhillon2]
Mar 02, 2007 (8:47 pm)
I don't get personal on this board, but comments such as "I can't bear to see it" sounds sort of...well...sissy-ish, if you know what I mean.
"Why Rhett, I'll just get the vapors if ah evah see that truck agayin. Lordy me!". LOL!!!!!!
BTW, better get used to it, there will eventually be millions on the road. You are going to have a very difficult life if you literally "can't bear to see it."
#1279 of 2059 Silverado Advantages
Mar 02, 2007 (8:52 pm)
Here are some non-subjective advantages the Silverado has over the Tundra:
1) Cargo Management System. Not available on Tundra.
2) Extended Cab Model rear doors open 170 degrees for full access to the interior. The Tundra Double Cab rear doors are small do not provide anywhere near this level of access.
3)Rainsense windshield wiper system. Not available on Tundra.
4)Heated windshield washer fluid. Not available on Tundra.
5)All Silverado Engines have chains. The 5.7 Tundra is also chain driven but the 4.7 is belt driven. Belts do not belong in a truck. I’m not sure about the Tundra V6.
6)Best V8 fuel economy in the full size pickup class. The 5.3 V8’s EPA is 16/22 city/highway, thanks to cylinder deactivation.
7)Available auto locking rear differential. Not available on Tundra.
8)Standard Car Compatibility Bracket. This safety feature will save lives in accidents with cars. See link for details. Not available on Tundra.
9)Long Box Models have 34 gallon fuel capacity. When coupled with the 5.3, that results in highway range of 748 miles. The largest tank available in the Tundra is 26.4 resulting in highway range of 528 miles.
10)Autotrac Active 4x4 system. Not available on Tundra.
11)Onstar Standard with first year free. My wifes car has this and it’s a great feature. She’s a stay at home mom with our two young kids so she has them in the car a lot. Onstar will automatically send an ambulance if the vehicle is involved in a collision and the airbags deploy. They also call the vehicle to see if everyone is OK. You can get you doors unlocked remotely as well if you lock your keys in the vehicle. Onstar has also been able to track and recover stolen vehicles. Not Available on Tundra.
12)Better Powertrain warranty. 5 years/100,000 miles vs 5 years/60,000 miles
13)Available remote vehicle start system. Not available on Tundra
14)Available XM Satellite Radio. Not available on Tundra
15)Better Seat Adjustment Options
Top Tundra Seats
Driver-side power 10-way adjustable, passenger-side power 4-way adjustable seats
Top Silverado Seats
12-way power adjustments, two-position driver-side memory, power recline, power bolsters, and power lumbar.
16) Tighter exterior panel gaps.
17) 6 bolt wheels standard. The Tundra has 5 bolt wheels.
18) V6 available as 4x4. V6 is RWD only on Tundra.
19) Heavy Duty models. Not available on Tundra
20) Diesel Engine available. Not available on Tundra
21) A Big Gold Bow tie Not available on Tundra
#1281 of 2059 Re: Silverado Advantages [pmusce]
Mar 02, 2007 (9:03 pm)
And that's where you're WRONG, pmusce. That big gold bow tie IS available for the Tundra. The Chevy parts department would be HAPPY to sell one, EVEN to a Tundra owner
#1282 of 2059 Re: Non-subjective [jreagan]
Mar 02, 2007 (9:04 pm)
"Belias likes to twist what we say around to his liking so that he can try to maintain his arguments."
After spending 45 minutes catching up to where I last left off- this comment is equivalent to the pot calling the kettle black.
Toyota is "Fugly", Inside and out. Fast? yes, Powerful? Yes. Reliable? Remains to be seen. Better? Nope. Ugly? In every way possible.
I have asked several times...Doesn't Toyota believe in body lines? And nice front end!!! haha. Oh, and don't get me started on that really stupid, ugly and poorly layed out interior."
IMHO, neither truck outshines the other in exterior or interior looks. The Tundra's quality and materials are better on the inside. The dash on the Tundra is a little ackward i.e. you better have long arms to reach those nobs but otherwise it is big and brawny looking. The faux wood in the Silvy is really poor but the dash is driver oriented. The polished silver dash components in the Tundra are definately a sign of the times similar to what is found in the Lincoln MKZ and Lexus IS.
Toyota will generally have a more reliable vehicle compared to that of GM. Tundra wins there even if it is new- Toyota's reputation for quality and dependability speaks for itself and the previous generation Tundra even with the recalls is one of the most reliable trucks on the road today.
Front end wise, Tundra looks like a wanna be Ram and the Silvy looks like a wannabe Ford Fusion.
Bottom line- both are good trucks. Use your $$ and buy what makes you happy.