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Re: Reply to Belias [jreagan]
by belias
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Mar 02, 2007 (6:53 pm)
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Replying to: jreagan (Mar 02, 2007 6:47 pm)
jreagan,
Nobody claimed that YOUR particular vehicle isn't reliable. What you claimed earlier was that GM trucks were more reliable than Toyota. Well, I wanted to give you reputable sources that definitely show otherwise. I don't wish for you to have any problems at all with your truck, I hope your experience is a good one. But we as consumers can't just depend on one or two individual accounts -- they vary so much. We have to depend on cumulative information to get an idea of paterns or weaknesses in design. That is all.
BTW, CR does not get any PR or money from advertising from anybody. As far as I know, neither does the DMV.
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- #1253 of 2059
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Re: Non-subjective [belias]
by jreagan
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Mar 02, 2007 (6:57 pm)
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Replying to: belias (Mar 02, 2007 6:45 pm)
Not IMO, I was hesitant to get the Crew Cab because I like my 6.5' bed in my ext cab. But ultimately I wanted the Crew Cab, If my garage were big enough and they offered it, I would have gotten a CrewCab with the 6.5' box. So, 5.8 foot is already too short for my taste, 3 inches less is even worse. I have two young daughters that ride in the back and my 2000 ext cab is plenty big for them. I just wanted the 4 real doors. Otherwise the Ext cab would have been sufficient. Yes, this is my opinion, but I beleive many others feel this way too. When it comes to balancing truck/bed/rear seat length, it's a give-and-take. I think Toy gave too much to the rear seat and took too much from the bed.
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- #1254 of 2059
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Re: Non-subjective [jreagan]
by belias
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Mar 02, 2007 (6:59 pm)
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Replying to: jreagan (Mar 02, 2007 6:50 pm)
I don't think this is a subjective question at all. You have been arguing hp/torque numbers for 30+ years with Ford and Dodge. It still applies here. Look at the torque curve, hp numberes -- even the dynos that put the power at the wheel -- all better for the Tundra.
Show me how 6-bolt mains=stronger engine and then ask the question separately or just ask it outright. I don't know how many the Toyota has - I can't find the info. But again, show me a case where less bolts=less "strength".
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- #1255 of 2059
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Re: Reply to Belias [belias]
by jreagan
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Mar 02, 2007 (7:02 pm)
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Replying to: belias (Mar 02, 2007 6:53 pm)
My point..I don't trust any magazines comparisons. I trust my experience with GMs over the past 18 years. I have NO reason to even consider anything else. And my awesome experience with GM's is why I am here backing them up. You think I would be here saying this if I had bad experiences? No way, My loyalty is not based on family tradition or any other BS reasons, it is based on personal experience and no magazine article will convince me otherwise.
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- #1256 of 2059
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Opinion is subjective
by belias
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Mar 02, 2007 (7:02 pm)
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jreagan,
Opinion is subjective. You stated that hp/torque being equal to strength is MY opinion! Please!! Show me one automotive web site that claims this... just one! I want to see that more hp/torque does not make the vehicle "stronger". Please... you not accepting that is YOUR opinion, not everybody else's...
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- #1257 of 2059
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Re: Reply to Belias [jreagan]
by belias
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Mar 02, 2007 (7:04 pm)
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Replying to: jreagan (Mar 02, 2007 7:02 pm)
I'm happy that you have a great vehicle! But you can't base a whole company's vehicle quality based on your sole experience. You claimed that and it is up to you to prove. I gave you evidence otherwise and for the past x-hundred posts on this forum, there has not been one source cited to support your claim. That's all I'm saying. What you choose is your business.
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- #1258 of 2059
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Re: Non-subjective [belias]
by jreagan
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Mar 02, 2007 (7:05 pm)
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Replying to: belias (Mar 02, 2007 6:59 pm)
Show me how 6-bolt mains=stronger engine and then ask the question separately or just ask it outright. I don't know how many the Toyota has - I can't find the info. But again, show me a case where less bolts=less "strength".
Common sense, at least for an ME. Just look back over the years, the high HP engines and big blocks all had 4 bolt mains and smaller, less hp, lower perf engines used 2 bolt mains.
The crank sees ALOT of forces and the main bearings have to support these forces. The better the structure around them, the stronger the engine.
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- #1259 of 2059
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Re: Reply to Belias [belias]
by jreagan
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Mar 02, 2007 (7:07 pm)
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Replying to: belias (Mar 02, 2007 7:04 pm)
But you can't base a whole company's vehicle quality based on your sole experience.
I sure can, why can't I? Oh, and it should have been plural..VehicleS
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- #1260 of 2059
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Re: Opinion is subjective [belias]
by jreagan
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Mar 02, 2007 (7:10 pm)
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Replying to: belias (Mar 02, 2007 7:02 pm)
I never said hp/torque does not equal strength, I said there is MORE to it than that. Stop twisting my words please.
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- #1261 of 2059
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Re: Reply to Belias [jreagan]
by belias
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Mar 02, 2007 (7:12 pm)
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Replying to: jreagan (Mar 02, 2007 7:07 pm)
Because it isn't based on reliable data that's why. You don't constitute a sample size and you aren't able to even show any statistically significant data showing that your reliability is better than the Tundra. You have no numbers to show, you have no data to show except for just your subjective claim. You are a current new-model owner so you are obviously biased anyway, and you are unable to prove that those with Tundra's have less reliability based on ANYTHING. So please... at least take remedial statistics before you make claims that you can't back up and aren't willing to support.
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