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Re: Non-subjective [jreagan] by belias
Mar 02, 2007 (6:45 pm)

Replying to: jreagan (Mar 02, 2007 6:35 pm)

You answered your own question here... GM's is deeper because it is better. Deeper means you can hold more things in the bed under a hard or soft tonneau covers such as those big 5-gallon paint cans, etc.
Point is it isn't a big deal, but I mentioned it because it was mentioned that 3 inches on the short-truck bed was mentioned. Point is if you get a crew cab, you're more concerned with interior space anyway. The fact that it has a 3" shorter bed is not too relevent. Now if it was on a long bed, then I would agree with you. But we're talking a crew cab model. So I mentioned the depth as well to make the point. Either way, the Tundra gets the extra 6" of interior room - BMW charges an extra $6K for 4.7" more room in the back seat of their 7 series... this is practically free.
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Re: Reply to Belias [belias] by jreagan
Mar 02, 2007 (6:47 pm)

Replying to: belias (Mar 02, 2007 5:51 pm)

You Toy guys can all go by stupid magazines reports and comparos, but let's be realistic, Money talks here. The more they advertise, the more attention and good PR they get.
I go by personal experience!!! And my personal experience shows me that GM is an awesome vehicle when it comes to reliability. nuff said!!
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Re: Non-subjective [jreagan] by belias
Mar 02, 2007 (6:48 pm)

Replying to: jreagan (Mar 02, 2007 6:40 pm)

See post 1242 for why controls are better. Again, if you can't see the benefit of more air bags then your logic is seriously flawed. Get t-boned in a car accident and you'll be praying for those extra side air bags. Both the Tundra and Silverado use "smart" air bags -- no difference there, just less available on the SIlverado and less standard.
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Re: Non-subjective [belias] by jreagan
Mar 02, 2007 (6:50 pm)

Replying to: belias (Mar 02, 2007 5:57 pm)

Yes, stronger means more hp/torque.
 
That is your opinion. My defintion of strength also includes robustness and durability. ie: How good is a pro athlete (football player or any other sport where strength is required) if he cannot play the entire game?
  
The 6.0 GM has 6-bolt mains, how many does the Toy have? 2? maybe 4?
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Re: Non-subjective [belias] by jreagan
Mar 02, 2007 (6:53 pm)

Replying to: belias (Mar 02, 2007 6:09 pm)

I agree that the side airbags should be standard, and by next they will be..on ALL vehicles, as mandated by our government. notice I said OUR government. Not Japan's.
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Re: Reply to Belias [jreagan] by belias
Mar 02, 2007 (6:53 pm)

Replying to: jreagan (Mar 02, 2007 6:47 pm)

jreagan,
Nobody claimed that YOUR particular vehicle isn't reliable. What you claimed earlier was that GM trucks were more reliable than Toyota. Well, I wanted to give you reputable sources that definitely show otherwise. I don't wish for you to have any problems at all with your truck, I hope your experience is a good one. But we as consumers can't just depend on one or two individual accounts -- they vary so much. We have to depend on cumulative information to get an idea of paterns or weaknesses in design. That is all.
BTW, CR does not get any PR or money from advertising from anybody. As far as I know, neither does the DMV.
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Re: Non-subjective [belias] by jreagan
Mar 02, 2007 (6:57 pm)

Replying to: belias (Mar 02, 2007 6:45 pm)

Not IMO, I was hesitant to get the Crew Cab because I like my 6.5' bed in my ext cab. But ultimately I wanted the Crew Cab, If my garage were big enough and they offered it, I would have gotten a CrewCab with the 6.5' box. So, 5.8 foot is already too short for my taste, 3 inches less is even worse. I have two young daughters that ride in the back and my 2000 ext cab is plenty big for them. I just wanted the 4 real doors. Otherwise the Ext cab would have been sufficient. Yes, this is my opinion, but I beleive many others feel this way too. When it comes to balancing truck/bed/rear seat length, it's a give-and-take. I think Toy gave too much to the rear seat and took too much from the bed.
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Re: Non-subjective [jreagan] by belias
Mar 02, 2007 (6:59 pm)

Replying to: jreagan (Mar 02, 2007 6:50 pm)

I don't think this is a subjective question at all. You have been arguing hp/torque numbers for 30+ years with Ford and Dodge. It still applies here. Look at the torque curve, hp numberes -- even the dynos that put the power at the wheel -- all better for the Tundra.
Show me how 6-bolt mains=stronger engine and then ask the question separately or just ask it outright. I don't know how many the Toyota has - I can't find the info. But again, show me a case where less bolts=less "strength".
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Re: Reply to Belias [belias] by jreagan
Mar 02, 2007 (7:02 pm)

Replying to: belias (Mar 02, 2007 6:53 pm)

My point..I don't trust any magazines comparisons. I trust my experience with GMs over the past 18 years. I have NO reason to even consider anything else. And my awesome experience with GM's is why I am here backing them up. You think I would be here saying this if I had bad experiences? No way, My loyalty is not based on family tradition or any other BS reasons, it is based on personal experience and no magazine article will convince me otherwise.
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Opinion is subjective by belias
Mar 02, 2007 (7:02 pm)
jreagan,
Opinion is subjective. You stated that hp/torque being equal to strength is MY opinion! Please!! Show me one automotive web site that claims this... just one! I want to see that more hp/torque does not make the vehicle "stronger". Please... you not accepting that is YOUR opinion, not everybody else's...

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