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What is this discussion about? Toyota Tundra, Chevrolet Silverado 1500, Truck


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Re: Non-subjective [jreagan] by belias
Mar 02, 2007 (5:57 pm)

Replying to: jreagan (Mar 02, 2007 2:48 pm)

Yes, stronger means more hp/torque. I never claimed DOHCs are better; that isn't the issue. You are not even following through with your own guidelines for "non-subjectivity".
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Re: Non-subjective [jreagan] by belias
Mar 02, 2007 (5:59 pm)

Replying to: jreagan (Mar 02, 2007 2:55 pm)

I'm trying to find numbers on the regular cab -- I spotted that before on a comparo, but forgot where and it isn't on their web-sites. Extended cabs have not much difference overall though the Tundra has a little advantage; fine no problem. Crew cab is 6 inches smaller on the Silverado and that IS a big difference.
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Re: Non-subjective [jreagan] by belias
Mar 02, 2007 (6:03 pm)

Replying to: jreagan (Mar 02, 2007 2:58 pm)

I believe the arguments for larger "vented" 4-piston caliper brakes are better -- the best performance brakes come with 6 pistons and have very large rotors with minimal weight.
If I have to even discuss the idea of rim size with you, then you don't know wheels. That's fine, there are offroading packages on both vehicles -- and with "minimal" cost, no reason why Chevy shouldn't offer 18" wheels standard all around.
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Re: Non-subjective [jreagan] by belias
Mar 02, 2007 (6:09 pm)

Replying to: jreagan (Mar 02, 2007 3:06 pm)

jreagan,
I'm wasting my time posting on this. Go read about the Tundra on Toyota's web site, don't worry you won't have your eyes burned by the web-site!
If you can't see how more air bags has anything to do with the comparison then you have never been in a serious accident (and hope you never are). Why do you think more passenger cars have 8 air bags all around -- some even have an air-bag for the driver's knees.
Skimping on safety is dangerous. All I'm saying is that the Tundra offers the same airbags that are standard/optional on the Silverado as standard all around plus extra side air bags.
Tundra has pretensioners on their seatbelts as well. And the airbags are just as good as the Silverado's. I've read everything on the Silverado... judging from your posts, you have yet to go to the Tundra's web site. Go and take a look and then make posts, that will help move this forum along more quickly.
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Re: Non-subjective [jreagan] by belias
Mar 02, 2007 (6:18 pm)

Replying to: jreagan (Mar 02, 2007 3:18 pm)

OnStar gets accolades for detecting air-bag deployment and its services in general. That has never been argumented. But actual equipment to help prevent and protect in an accident favor the Tundra when you consider air-bags, drive/brake controls (mentioned previously). Crush zones, frame and cab design are all designed on the Tundra as well. Even TPMS is standard on ALL Tundras. Again jreagan, go READ about the Tundra.
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Re: Non-subjective [pmusce] by belias
Mar 02, 2007 (6:26 pm)

Replying to: pmusce (Mar 02, 2007 3:25 pm)

That is because the CrewMax has 6 more inches of legroom in the back. And are we arguing now that the Tundra is TOO big? I thought all the arguments before were "too small". This is what I mean about the logic here... is being "in the middle" somehow the best? In any case, if you're concerned about the bed length being 3 inches shorter on the crewmax, you should mention that it is also 1.2 inches deeper on the Tundra on all models and even ground clearance is 1.6" higher on the Tundra on almost every configuration.
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Re: Non-subjective [belias] by jreagan
Mar 02, 2007 (6:29 pm)

Replying to: belias (Mar 02, 2007 5:59 pm)

Crew cab is 6 inches smaller on the Silverado and that IS a big difference.
 
But at what price? Shorter box and longer overall length!! For a little more rear seat space, which most people don't use regularly anyway. Fine, if you regularly carry adult males in the rear seat and can get by with the shorter box, then this is an advantage. This is not the case with me and most others.
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Re: More GM goodies... [dieselone] by jreagan
Mar 02, 2007 (6:32 pm)

Replying to: dieselone (Mar 02, 2007 5:42 pm)

I will admit a 6-speed is better than a 4-speed, never said it wasn't. As long as it is as durable. I was merely mentioning the technology GM was using to improve it. Obviously, they think it is better too, otherwise they wouldn't be ramping up to use them as standard later this year. I admit, Toy has the advantage in the tranny....for a few more months anyway.
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Re: Non-subjective [belias] by jreagan
Mar 02, 2007 (6:35 pm)

Replying to: belias (Mar 02, 2007 6:26 pm)

it is also 1.2 inches deeper on the Tundra on all models
 
Give me an example of why this is better? People are criticizing Fords because their bed is also deep, which makes side-loading/unloading more difficult.
BTW, the new GM's are also deeper than last models.
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Re: Reply to Belias [jreagan] by belias
Mar 02, 2007 (6:36 pm)

Replying to: jreagan (Mar 02, 2007 3:39 pm)

Here is a rundown of what Toyota's system does as you asked in your post. This was written for their SUVs but the technology on the Tundra is the same if not more advanced (since the Tundra's is a more modern version of the same systems):
 
"THE TOYOTA STAR SAFETY SYSTEMTM
If a stereo system comes standard on an SUV, shouldn’t a safety system?
Introducing Toyota’s Star Safety SystemTM, a combination of five safety features that
comes standard with every one of Toyota’s five SUVs: Vehicle Stability Control, Traction
Control, Anti-lock Brakes, Electronic Brake-force Distribution, and Brake Assist. All
designed for one purpose: to help keep the driver in control of the vehicle at all times.
Because when it comes to the well-being of you and your passengers, Toyota has
raised the standard.
  
Vehicle Stability Control
Stability Control, or VSC for short, helps prevent two factors that frequently cause
drivers to lose control of their vehicles: front-wheel slip and rear-wheel slip.
  
Traction Control
Traction Control, helps maintain traction on wet, icy, loose or uneven surfaces. Like
Vehicle Stability Control, Traction Control applies wheel brake individually and reduces
engine output to help assist the driver with control of the vehicle.
  
Anti-lock Braking System
Toyota’s Star Safety SystemTM for SUVs incorporates Anti-lock Brake System
technology, also known as ABS. Anti-lock Brake System helps ensure that you’re able
to continue steering during emergency braking situations.
  
Electronic Brake-force Distribution
Electronic Brake-force Distribution responds to driving conditions by optimizing the
amount of brake-force that’s sent to each wheel, even below the level of ABS operation.
This helps keep you, the driver, in control of your vehicle in both normal and emergency
driving conditions. Here’s how it works.
  
Brake Assist
The way Brake Assist has been designed, you’ll probably never notice that it’s there.
But it’s an essential component of Toyota’s Star Safety SystemTM for SUVs. In
emergency situations, Brake Assist applies additional brake pressure so you can take
full advantage of Anti-lock Brake System.
  
All of the Star Safety Systems discussed — Electronic Brake-force Distribution, Anti-lock Brake System,
Brake Assist, Vehicle Stability Control and Traction Control — are designed to help the driver maintain
vehicle control under adverse conditions. When Anti-lock Brake System is activated, the driver should
not release the brake while it is pulsating. Factors including speed, road conditions and driver steering
input can all affect whether Vehicle Stability Control will be effective in preventing a loss of control. Please
see your Owner's Manual for further details. "

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