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2059 messages, Last post on Mar 29, 2007 at 5:33 AM
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toyta gonna be #1, toyota gonna sell 200k units, Its gonna stand on its head a spit nickels and out perform everybody else ! What a laugh ! Its taken years to barely break the 100k mark. But the new excuse is they are gonna sell 200k this year............ Heck it took them a few years to offer a FACTORY installed trailer hitch ! Someday they MIGHT offer a factory snowplow prep pk. like the big 3 do ! PLEASE spare me on toyota wiz-bang 99 speed automatic transmission and the failure of other mfrs. not offering them yet (except Cadillac and Ford)! Put down the koolaid and take a trip over to the 07 camry problem thread(s) and read about the new transmission and its MANY complaints and issues! I need some of that koolaid ! 
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Replying to: geo9 (Jan 31, 2007 1:53 am) But what is true now is that in what the Tundra does offer it kicks the butt of the other 4...significantly. Yes the detroiters will sell more 2nd ( or 3rd ) rate trucks with more options but it's not a sprint to number 1 it's a marathon to making the most profit. In that race the other 3 have been lapped - twice. This Tundra when it begins to hit it's stride will just make the gap bigger btw T and GM/F/DC. Heck they might be 3 laps back.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 31, 2007 3:59 am) "kicking butt" on the big 3. I still haven't done a specs compare on payload, towing weights, etc.... Time will tell if the new trans. is or will be as problematic as the camry unit. (Yes I KNOW that one is Front wd vs. the trucks rwd).............. Most likely the same design principal ? But as far as someone who actually WORKS their truck the tundra is a also ran with NO plow prep. option. I DO love the posts here on the tundras interior esp. the comments on the big and EASY to use controls (with gloves on)and how innovative they are ! FUNNY when the GMT-800 design came out in 99 with those big buttons that were also easy to use with gloves on the zealots mocked GM and its "playschool" designed controls right here at Edmunds ! But now that toyota does it its wonderful, fresh, thoughtful did I mention innovative?.............. Sheesh ! 
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Replying to: geo9 (Jan 31, 2007 4:51 am) I've done the comparison and the only truck in the Tundra's class is the new GMT900's ... but it's next to impossible to get the top-spec'd vehicle. The standard 5.3L and the standard 6.0L are only a distant 2nd. The Silvy does haul well and looks nice inside but that's it. The F150 and Ram are very old and WAY behind in capabilities, although the F150 can tow well - as long as it's done very slowly and there is no need to accelerate. BTW on the Camry transmission issue, tempest in a teapot. The people with driving problems are very vocal as they should be but the number of actual complaints to the NHTSA is a massive...... 35.... out of 450,000 units sold. That's the extent of the problem. There is a snow plow package in the works. It will likely miss this winter but be available for next winter. The interior controls are a good point of discussion. I actually do like the Silverado's look better as being more upscale... but is it too nice to be a truck? Especially a work truck. I do think the buttons on the dash are way too small for a trucking environment. But this is styling and it's one place where someone will always be displeased. |
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Replying to: geo9 (Jan 31, 2007 1:53 am) Its gonna stand on its head a spit nickels and out perform everybody else ! Yep, they certainly will. 200k in the full size truck market is nothing considering the previous Tundra was selling 100k plus. The Titan will probably take the brunt of that blow. The rest will easily be carved out of the big 3. I can guarantee that Toyota will be a major player in the full size truck market. Toyota is renown throughout the world for making bullet proof trucks that can handle anything. What a laugh ! Its taken years to barely break the 100k mark. But the new excuse is they are gonna sell 200k this year............ Denial is a good thing, it can prevent or at least postpone a nervous breakdown. Keep at it. PLEASE spare me on toyota wiz-bang 99 speed automatic transmission and the failure of other mfrs. not offering them yet (except Cadillac and Ford)! Put down the koolaid and take a trip More denial? Dismissing the the new Toyota 6 speed is akin to the big 3 dismissing the Camry in the early 80s. over to the 07 camry problem thread(s) and read about the new transmission and its MANY complaints and issues! I'm familiar with with Toyota's growing pains. The difference is that Toyota will recognize and correct these problems quickly where the big 3 typically just keep plodding along with their quality problems. Granted they have made big improvements, but they are painfully slow in coming. The new silvy is a big improvement over the previous generation, but even many rabid GM fans admit that last generation GM trucks were very sub par (see GMI) to be kind. It's funny that in the year that Toyota offers a true full size contender, GM finally gets their act together and offers a really good truck (despite powertrain deficiencies ie. 4 sec lag, 4 speed). If you want to give your business to a sub par company that only gives a quality product in the face of fierce competition instead of quality being part of their DNA like Toyota and Honda, be my guest. If anybody is drinking kool aid it is domestic fans that buy one poor quality vehicle after another because they think it's their patriotic duty. |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 31, 2007 5:17 am)
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Personal insults flying everywhere... It's like an episode of Jerry Springer.
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Replying to: alfa_xray2010 (Jan 31, 2007 11:13 am) I know that the F150 just came out in 2004 but.. .. the powertrain is the weakest of all the 5 competitors at 300 hp; .. it is impossible to get Stability control on any F150 at any price; .. in addition to having the weakest engine it also has the heaviest frame so it's doubly slow; .. 4 spd tranny vs Tundra's 6 spd; it should have had the new Ford/GM 6 spd from jump street; .. all the airbags are not standard; this is a common shortcut Ford is taking across all product lines ( extra money ). However in balance.. .. with it's very strong frame it is second behind the Tundra in towing capability; .. just don't try to accelerate very fast with a load; .. it can be ordered with a heavy duty payload package ( extra ) which gives it best-in-class hauling on 4 configurations - but at a price. .. it has been proven to be very reliable and durable. .. can Ford spend enough money to give the next Gen a competitive top-end drive train? |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 31, 2007 5:17 am) How many average owners are going to own the Silverado, for a work truck ???? The majority of the people that have work trucks buy diesel HD 3/4 & 1 ton's.  The half ton owners buy trucks because they can haul house hold furnishings, tow a boat or trailer once in a while. In many cases they want the 4x4 capability for inclement weather and sometimes hunt and fish making a truck the practical vehical for throwing a carcass in the back or fishing poles and tackle boxes in the bed. A 1/2 ton truck is simply a mans automobiles that his spouse likes enough to drive or see's practical use for one. These of course are my opinions based on family, friends, co-workers, and self experience of owning a truck. My wife for example want's me to buy a brand new black 07' GMC Sierra Denali. I told her I want to wait for the 2-mode hybrid since it will achieve the desired fuel economy I'd want. Rocky
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