Last post on Mar 29, 2007 at 5:33 AM
You are in the Toyota Tundra
What is this discussion about?
Toyota Tundra, Chevrolet Silverado 1500, Truck
#1195 of 2059 Re: Reply to Belias [jreagan]
Mar 02, 2007 (10:54 am)
Did I say that Rain sense wipers and Heated washer fluid outdo anything? I just asked a simple question.
BTW, all GM's have audio input jacks and MP3 capability is available too.
You're wrong on this; base models do not include audio input jacks.
Vehicle Stability Control, Traction Control, ABS with EBD, and Brake Assist on Tundra as opposed to ABS and StabiliTrak on Silverado
Same thing, different terminology. Except brake assist.
Again, partially correct... just please go to the Toyota web site and read about the actual technology, to sum up, there is much more going on with Toyota's.
Bose or JBL? I am guessing both sound very good. No advantage for either here. But I would have to hear them both to say for sure.
Admittedly this isn't super important to me, but this JBL setup is WAY better than Bose (and I have Bose in my car, so I'm speaking from some experience). The Bose system in the Silverado isn't very strong at all and is difficult to balance -- they're known not to have good bass response at all -- though the subwoofer did help somewhat. Either way, no biggie, but 9 out of 10 people that care about audio are going to go for the JBL system not so much because JBL is the end-all of audio (no where near that), but because they are many times better than Bose...
Not sure about rear HVAC in the GM's, but my 2000 has rear HVAC ducts, most people may not even know about the floor heat ducts because they are concealed very nicely under the front seats. The A/C ducts are in the rear of the console.
If that is true, it isn't mentioned anywhere on Chevy's site; don't know if it is or not...
- standard side, side-curtain, and front air bags for Tundra where just the fronts are standard on the Chevy with the option to have side-curtains on some models (no sides available).
Huh? Mine will have Side-curtain air bags.
my typo... I meant to say that the option to have side air bags is unavailable.
- Tundra has better performance in acceleration, handling, handling under load, and braking then the Silverado (as mentioned by performance numbers in virtually every comparison test).
There is that "qualifying" word again..."Virtually". The tests I saw said the GM handled and rode better, especially on rough terrain. PM claimed the tundra "tossed" around the interior contents due to a rough ride on gravel roads.
Wrong again, I don't know where you got that statement from, but wasn't at PM and since you used PM as a reference, check out that they said that the Silverado was "lethargic". Also check the numbers, almost all of them favor the Tundra vs the Silverado. Yes that is a qualifying word -- that saves time of having to cut and paste material that has been repeatedly posted on this forum. And that test that claimed that the Silverado "rode" better compared it to a TRD off-road Tundra; it would have been a better ride had a regular Tundar been compared to a Z71 Silverado too. This has been posted several times!! Why do we need to continually quote this for you! Go look!
- Towing payload numbers favor Tundra in various configurations by 2 to 1.
See my other post regarding these Subjective numbers.
kdhspyder and others have already taken the time to post all the towing and payload comparisons and they are overwhelmingly in Tundra's favor. If you're too lazy to go look at those posts again, don't bother complaining.
- Tighter turning radius on Tundra then on Silverado on all models.
I'll borrow Spyder's phrase here.. It's a truck!!
Yes of course its a truck! You started this asking for specifics when you mentioned the "rain-sense" wipers and "heated washer fluid". You think those are more "truck-like" then having a tighter turning radius?
I have not seen ANY cold hard, provable facts that make the Tundra superior overall. Their few pluses do not outweigh GM's pluses IMO.
Of course you haven't seen any cold hard provable facts that make the Tundra superior -- you haven't been reading this forum -- all you've been doing is looking for the tiniest excuses to show that the Silverado has something that the Tundra doesn't. Fine, heck, throw in the plastic gas gap argument while you're at it. If reviews from Edmunds, PM, Motor Trend, and CR, as well as that Towing magazine aren't enough to convince you of the many areas where the Tundra bettered the Silverado (including reliability responses from actual owners of Silverados and Sierras) and the many specifications, both on paper and in performance tests where they are shown to have favored the Tundra as well, then there is something seriously flawed with your logic.
Nobody is going to tell you what to choose (in fact you made your choice already so you're statements are inherently biased), but again, I revert to the Chevy posters' logic here: if Chevy has any advantage it is all important for the use of a truck; if it gets beaten on the majority of areas where trucks are compared and have been compared to each other for the last 30 years, then it isn't important and doesn't matter any more. Great approach... unbelievably hypocritical
#1196 of 2059 Re: Reply to Belias [rorr]
Mar 02, 2007 (11:11 am)
" "....and alot is subjective."
Seems to be a lot of that going around these days..... "
That's true, but then again vehicle preferences mostly are. Every one has different priorities when purchasing vehicles. Subjective opinions should not be presented as facts though. I happen to think the Tundra is very ungainly looking and poorly proportioned, especially in crew max configuration where the rear doors are larger than the front doors. Is the above statement a fact? No, because there are people on this site who seem to like the look.
#1197 of 2059 Re: Reply to Belias [belias]
Mar 02, 2007 (11:14 am)
'If reviews from Edmunds, PM, Motor Trend, and CR, as well as that Towing magazine aren't enough to convince you of the many areas where the Tundra bettered the Silverado (including reliability responses from actual owners of Silverados and Sierras) and the many specifications, both on paper and in performance tests where they are shown to have favored the Tundra as well, then there is something seriously flawed with your logic.'
I would take Motor Trend out of your list. The Silverado beats the Tundra in a head to head comparison in the April 2007 Issue. The Tundra had the 5.7 and the Silverado had the 5.3 in this test.
#1198 of 2059 I don't like any of them!
Mar 02, 2007 (11:32 am)
New pickup trucks are getting to be like cell phone companies to me, namely which one do I dislike the least - and I don't even know - I don't like any of them! The new Tundra is a huge disappointment for me. I don't know what those geniuses were planning out and engineering for all these years "special for the American market" - and yet it didn't dawn upon them that a lot of Americans are tall and might, duh, need head room! Looks like the plan was just to put together a lot of fancy glitzy junk and make it look garish, and make it go fast, and make it real big on the outside, and bank on the old Toyota reputation, and that's all there is to it!
#1199 of 2059 magazine reviews
Mar 02, 2007 (11:33 am)
The company that spends the most on advertising gets the best review.
#1200 of 2059 Re: Reply to Belias [pmusce]
Mar 02, 2007 (11:41 am)
Well, the Motor Trend did not use the new Tundra in the direct comparison of the vehicles when they awarded the "Truck of the Year Award"; beyond that, I have not seen the April 2007 issue (since March just started yesterday)but they did post a "First Drive" of the 07 Tundra online and one of their quotes that is particularly applicable here is "The only thing that might keep you from thinking of the '07 Tundra as an American pickup truck is your own nationalistic prejudice." Quite frankly that is not something I consider valuable to me, but it makes the point about how people think.
Again, I didn't say ALL, I said the majority of them; just like the majority of the configurations of the Tundra have better towing/payload specs than the Silverado. It isn't subjective if it is summed up people. Subjectiveness are things that can't be quantified such as "looks" and such. Personally I don't like the look of the Silverado at all -- it looks old -- but the Sierra Denali looks better. The Tundra I think looks great -- modern, large, and masculine. Heck, look at what Chevy did with the Tahoe/Suburban/Avalanche -- great all the way around except for the front-ends, those are soccer-mom vehicles now, nothing remotely tough about their looks. As you said, this is subjective. Thankfully the Silverado doesn't look like the Tahoe/Suburban/Avalanche, but it still looks old to me. And since when are things like power numbers, performance numbers, and towing numbers subjective? I think I have a better way to tackle this problem though...
#1201 of 2059 Non-subjective
Mar 02, 2007 (11:45 am)
Which engine is stronger? Chevy 6.0 or Toyota 5.7?
(remember this is not subjective -- answer honestly)
#1202 of 2059 Non-subjective
Mar 02, 2007 (11:46 am)
Which interiors have more room, the Chevy or the Toyota?
Regular cab interior room?
Extended/Double cab interior room?
Crew/CrewMax cab interior room?
#1203 of 2059 Non-subjective
Mar 02, 2007 (11:47 am)
Which truck has larger disc brakes and wheels, the Chevy or the Toyota?
#1204 of 2059 Non-subjective
Mar 02, 2007 (11:48 am)
Which truck has more air bags, Chevy or Toyota?