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2059 messages, Last post on Mar 29, 2007 at 5:33 AM
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Replying to: ggesq (Jan 27, 2007 10:10 am) From the Corona to the Camry as No 1 was at least 30 years. From the Toyota pickup to the Tacoma is nearing 25 years. From the T100 in 1993 to the Gen 4 Tundra in 2117 would only be 25 years. All in good time.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 27, 2007 3:45 pm) Let's see... Ohh... all the works (Toyota/GM/Ford/Honda) are done by non-union workers in the continent of USA! Right now I am looking to get a real1/2 ton, I like Chevy Silverado for styling/price proven 4-speed tranmission and Toyota for the 6-speed + reclining rear seats. But the hold out for me on Silverado is the AFM 6.0L engine, not sure if it'll last 100000 miles without any problem on the valve lifters. At the end I just need to make sure the truck I am buying will fit my needs, I can careless who makes it.
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Replying to: hpia4v2 (Jan 28, 2007 12:04 am) I believe that Honda's findings on the Accord Hybrid and Odyssey are also modest at best in terms of fuel economy. |
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It amuses me to no end how people talk about the interiors of these trucks. It's irrelavent whether you want the stodgy interior of the Chevy or the more progressive interior of the Tundra (though, I'm not a fan of silver plastic). If your buying a vehicle in this category, your looking for capability and it boils down to powertrain. When it comes to powertrain, the Chevy is a distant second place. With a 6.0 liter engine that has a 4 second lag (Edmunds) to make its maximum horse power which still falls significantly short of the Toyota 5.7 liter, it really is no contest. On top of that the Chevy has a 4 speed transmission with dead spots in the power band (Edmunds). The 6 speed tranny on the Tundra will pull that monster to 60 mph in 6.3 seconds. This 0-60 time speaks directly to how it will handle a load under tow as opposed to the "sleepy" (Edmunds)powertrain in the Chevy. Chevy rushed its truck to market to take MTOTY. It brought a knife to a gunfight, and it's apparent they were outgunned. The tranny is critical when delivering the power of the engine to the wheels. How could GM even consider bringing a 4 speed to market when they knew Toyota had a 6 speed coming? Once again the domestics are asleep at the wheel thinking "Don't worry, the japanese can't compete with us in this segment. They are wrong, very wrong. Real truckers are always curious about the biggest, baddest truck out there. Even if they are loyal to domestics, most of them will be curious to drive the Tundra. The new Tundra is to big for my needs and probably to big for many current Tundra owners, but it will appeal to the legions of half ton domestic owners that feel/need to own a monster. Toyota is probably banking that current Tundra owners will find either the smaller Tacoma or the huge 07 tundra will meet their needs. We'll see. |
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toyta gonna be #1, toyota gonna sell 200k units, Its gonna stand on its head a spit nickels and out perform everybody else ! What a laugh ! Its taken years to barely break the 100k mark. But the new excuse is they are gonna sell 200k this year............ Heck it took them a few years to offer a FACTORY installed trailer hitch ! Someday they MIGHT offer a factory snowplow prep pk. like the big 3 do ! PLEASE spare me on toyota wiz-bang 99 speed automatic transmission and the failure of other mfrs. not offering them yet (except Cadillac and Ford)! Put down the koolaid and take a trip over to the 07 camry problem thread(s) and read about the new transmission and its MANY complaints and issues! I need some of that koolaid ! 
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Replying to: geo9 (Jan 31, 2007 1:53 am) But what is true now is that in what the Tundra does offer it kicks the butt of the other 4...significantly. Yes the detroiters will sell more 2nd ( or 3rd ) rate trucks with more options but it's not a sprint to number 1 it's a marathon to making the most profit. In that race the other 3 have been lapped - twice. This Tundra when it begins to hit it's stride will just make the gap bigger btw T and GM/F/DC. Heck they might be 3 laps back.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 31, 2007 3:59 am) "kicking butt" on the big 3. I still haven't done a specs compare on payload, towing weights, etc.... Time will tell if the new trans. is or will be as problematic as the camry unit. (Yes I KNOW that one is Front wd vs. the trucks rwd).............. Most likely the same design principal ? But as far as someone who actually WORKS their truck the tundra is a also ran with NO plow prep. option. I DO love the posts here on the tundras interior esp. the comments on the big and EASY to use controls (with gloves on)and how innovative they are ! FUNNY when the GMT-800 design came out in 99 with those big buttons that were also easy to use with gloves on the zealots mocked GM and its "playschool" designed controls right here at Edmunds ! But now that toyota does it its wonderful, fresh, thoughtful did I mention innovative?.............. Sheesh ! 
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Replying to: geo9 (Jan 31, 2007 4:51 am) I've done the comparison and the only truck in the Tundra's class is the new GMT900's ... but it's next to impossible to get the top-spec'd vehicle. The standard 5.3L and the standard 6.0L are only a distant 2nd. The Silvy does haul well and looks nice inside but that's it. The F150 and Ram are very old and WAY behind in capabilities, although the F150 can tow well - as long as it's done very slowly and there is no need to accelerate. BTW on the Camry transmission issue, tempest in a teapot. The people with driving problems are very vocal as they should be but the number of actual complaints to the NHTSA is a massive...... 35.... out of 450,000 units sold. That's the extent of the problem. There is a snow plow package in the works. It will likely miss this winter but be available for next winter. The interior controls are a good point of discussion. I actually do like the Silverado's look better as being more upscale... but is it too nice to be a truck? Especially a work truck. I do think the buttons on the dash are way too small for a trucking environment. But this is styling and it's one place where someone will always be displeased. |
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Replying to: geo9 (Jan 31, 2007 1:53 am) Its gonna stand on its head a spit nickels and out perform everybody else ! Yep, they certainly will. 200k in the full size truck market is nothing considering the previous Tundra was selling 100k plus. The Titan will probably take the brunt of that blow. The rest will easily be carved out of the big 3. I can guarantee that Toyota will be a major player in the full size truck market. Toyota is renown throughout the world for making bullet proof trucks that can handle anything. What a laugh ! Its taken years to barely break the 100k mark. But the new excuse is they are gonna sell 200k this year............ Denial is a good thing, it can prevent or at least postpone a nervous breakdown. Keep at it. PLEASE spare me on toyota wiz-bang 99 speed automatic transmission and the failure of other mfrs. not offering them yet (except Cadillac and Ford)! Put down the koolaid and take a trip More denial? Dismissing the the new Toyota 6 speed is akin to the big 3 dismissing the Camry in the early 80s. over to the 07 camry problem thread(s) and read about the new transmission and its MANY complaints and issues! I'm familiar with with Toyota's growing pains. The difference is that Toyota will recognize and correct these problems quickly where the big 3 typically just keep plodding along with their quality problems. Granted they have made big improvements, but they are painfully slow in coming. The new silvy is a big improvement over the previous generation, but even many rabid GM fans admit that last generation GM trucks were very sub par (see GMI) to be kind. It's funny that in the year that Toyota offers a true full size contender, GM finally gets their act together and offers a really good truck (despite powertrain deficiencies ie. 4 sec lag, 4 speed). If you want to give your business to a sub par company that only gives a quality product in the face of fierce competition instead of quality being part of their DNA like Toyota and Honda, be my guest. If anybody is drinking kool aid it is domestic fans that buy one poor quality vehicle after another because they think it's their patriotic duty. |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 31, 2007 5:17 am)
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