Last post on Mar 29, 2007 at 5:33 AM
You are in the Toyota Tundra
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Toyota Tundra, Chevrolet Silverado 1500, Truck
#1047 of 2059 Re: Final Post...Summary [jreagan]
Feb 27, 2007 (12:10 pm)
Explain to me how I was twisting your comment (I'll check in tomorrow)?
This comparison is just funny to me. The Chevy posters' logic can be summed up as follows:
- when there is an attribute that Chevy barely edges the Tundra on, it is VASTLY important and critical to the operation of a truck.
- when the Tundra has attributes better then the Silverado then those don't matter at all
It is equivalent to running a race here, except that as the Chevy logic goes, being first isn't winning, that is defined as being in the middle of the pack! Gimme a break will ya? Make up your mind! Sheesh, you make a truck that is too good and you guys post that it isn't important or that your 3/4 or 1 ton trucks are better, and then using the same attribute comparison, you say that it wasn't enough for the 2006 model. Well what, you want Toyota to slow down the Truck, make it tow a few hundred pounds less, have it be as ugly as the Silverado and give it the same lack of entertainment and technological features as the Silverado? Yeah, that will make it better!
#1048 of 2059 Re: Final Post...Summary [blufz1]
Feb 27, 2007 (12:14 pm)
Uh huh...14hp and 26lb-ft of torque is just HUGE!!!
And both are supposedly capable of towing 5 tons? Good Luck with that.
Hmm, I wonder if the Tundra would tow my 3500# boat any better? Put things in perspective and the power difference is a non-issue. Heck, my 2000 with the 285hp 5.3L tows my boat just fine. Also, back in 2000, it was top of the heap in HP. Hmm, wonder how long the mighty Tundra will hold the HP crown? These HP wars are a joke.
#1049 of 2059 Re: Final Post...Summary [belias]
Feb 27, 2007 (12:15 pm)
Huh? that made no sense dude.
#1050 of 2059 Re: Final Post...Summary [jreagan]
Feb 27, 2007 (12:15 pm)
This is what I mean... Chevy logic, see post 1047 for clarification...
Gotta run, unlike jreagan, this really is my last post until tomorrow!
#1051 of 2059 Re: Just read the review of the Tundra by C&D [jreagan]
Feb 27, 2007 (12:17 pm)
Now you are way way out of your element. You do realize that a typical Toyota store outsells a typical GM/F/D store by more than 2:1.
Volume is all on the side of Toyota.
But as I noted above the pricing is GM's marketing dilema. The vehicle is less than 9 month's old and already they must offer incentives to get buyers into them. The volume that they must maintain at the plant level is overbearing and then the Tundra comes out with a bigger more capable vehicle with more features and a lower price!!!
It's like they've been blindsided.
You got a good deal no doubt and I'm certain you will enjoy your ride. But just consider this tiny niggling detail.
You got a great deal on yours this month at $5000+ off sticker. The early buyers last year who jumped on the early T900's are feeling a little PO'd because they didn't wait and their vehicles now are only 6 months older than yours but their value is deteriorating like an ice castle in a desert.
What if GM still is having difficulties to fill the plants in the not to distant future - like June - and they cave into Ford and Dodge giveaways with $5000 rebates in addition to the $4000 dealer discount. Now your deal looks kinda punky to those Johnny-come-latelys. Given GM's ( and Ford and Chrysler ) recent past history this is a very likely scenario. So now your Sierra at ~$37K is really only worth $34K because that's what any Johnny-come-lately can get it for brand new. Tough position to be in.
#1052 of 2059 Re: Just read the review of the Tundra by C&D [jreagan]
Feb 27, 2007 (12:20 pm)
I do and here is what you drove ... a 2007 HERITAGE ( T800 ) Silverado LTZ with the Max Trailering Package..not a T900. Prolly the sales guy failed to mention that little detail.
#1053 of 2059 Re: Just read the review of the Tundra by C&D [kdhspyder]
Feb 27, 2007 (12:25 pm)
We are talking TRUCKS here.....sheesh. Toyota does NOT outsell GM in TRUCK volume.
We'll see about your speculation on GM's sales of these new trucks.
And since when ia a good deal a negative? I got just as much truck (more IMO) than the Tundra for LESS money.
yet you say the Toyota's are lower priced? HUH?
BTW, I got all of those safety features you bragged about Tundra having in that price. Other than DVD and NAV, there isn't one feature the Tundra offers that mine doesn't have. Plus, mine has a Rear Locker...oh wait, I stand corrected, mine will only do 15-point-something in the 1/4 mile....shucks.
#1054 of 2059 Re: Final Post...Summary [jreagan]
Feb 27, 2007 (12:27 pm)
Waaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy. You are looking at the paper #'s. The real #'s are at the strip! GM's real power on the street/strip/farm is waaaaaayyyyyy down. I.E. you can't believe their #'s.
#1055 of 2059 Re: Just read the review of the Tundra by C&D [kdhspyder]
Feb 27, 2007 (12:28 pm)
I knew I'd have to explain this to you again...
First off, they are not called "Heritage", they are called "Classics". And do you actually think after researching this for over 6 months that I don't know the difference? Gimme a break!!! It was a NEW BODY STYLE!!!!
#1056 of 2059 Re: Final Post...Summary [blufz1]
Feb 27, 2007 (12:29 pm)
you're right....sorry. That FRACTION of a second in the 1/4 mile is HUGE!!! and soooooo useful in a pickup TRUCK!!!!