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#570 of 2021 Navigation System?
Jan 17, 2003 (10:59 am)
Excellent work, Sequoiasaurus!
Your photos definitely helped fill in the blanks that the pictures from Toyota's pressroom website didn't show, such as the side sunscreens, the roll down windows and the many storage compartments.
However, I didn't see a good shot of the DVD navigation system. Does it pop out, "toaster-style," like the Infiniti G35's? Also, does anyone know where the passenger's front air bags deploy from? I assumed it was the opening above the large glovebox, but Sequoiasaurus' photos show that it is actually a 2nd smaller glovebox.
My wife and I went to the LA Auto Show a couple of weekends ago with the hopes of catching a glimpse of the new Sienna. Unfortunately, we were two days too early. We can't make up our minds whether to buy a 2003 Odyssey now or wait until March to compare it objectively with the Sienna.
It seems that the new Sienna--or Lexus "LV330" as I see it--has surpassed the Odyssey in just about every category. (Where's the 4-wheel independent suspension or 4-wheel disc brakes on non AWD models?) Of course, it's not surprising given the Odyssey has been king of the minivan hill since 1999 and Toyota has had lots of time to analyze it.
Since some say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, I would have expected no less from Toyota than to have the best minivan on the market (up to now) in its crosshairs. Any Honda fans out there ready to claim plagerism are ignoring the fact that Honda will undoubtedly do the same, especially since a couple of Honda dealers have told me that their district managers are claiming the next major redesign of the Odyssey will be in 2005, not 2004.
Given that the best quotes we've gotten in SoCal for an Odyssey right now are $500 below MSRP, I'm sure Honda can continue selling the current Odyssey for a while longer and use that time to dissect and one-up the new Sienna.
Toyota's press release says that the entry-level CE model is targeted to be $1000 below the current price, but I wonder if that price differential will apply to all other trim levels as well, all the way up to the AWD XLE LTD.
My excitement for all the new features are tempered by the worry that the out the door price will be in the mid to high $30s. Historically, it seems that Toyota has not been inclined to limit production intentionally as Honda has, which allows its dealer networks to make fat above-MSRP profits.
#571 of 2021 Sienna pricing to be out next week?
Jan 17, 2003 (11:30 am)
New to the Toyota board here. I'm in the market for a minivan (down to Sienna or Odyssey) and is very excited about the new features of the 2004 Sienna mentioned here. But for me, money is the ultimate deciding factor.
Contacted the local Toyota dealer about the pricing and he said he's scheduled to get a pricing sheet next week, perhaps as early as Monday, 1/20. And like other dealers, he said people have already signed up to buy the new Sienna. With this type of excitement, he is pricing to sell the 2004 Sienna's at full MSRP price.
If that's true, I'm afraid we'll be priced out of the Sienna. Looking at fully loaded 2003 XLE with everything we wanted (but no DVD), the MSRP is around $32,200. But our local dealers are discounting it by $3,500 as it's model end and another $2000 Toyota rebate, brings the price tag down to $26,700 or so.
Assuming for the moment the 2004 is similarly prices as the 2003 (yes, I read that the CE model is supposed to be $1000 less than the older model), this would imply with the no MSRP discounts, the 2004 Sienna is $32K area. And even if we carry the $1,000 off MSRP analogy from the CE model mark down, we're still looking at potential $31K MSRP for the 2004 XLE.
Whereas the Odyssey EX-L is selling at $28,860 MSRP ($300 off MSRP is best deal I can get from a local dealer here in CA), it's low price of $28,600 compared to the Sienna
So I would hope after the initial crowd of people snatched up the 2004 Sienna at MSRP or thereabouts, they will start to discount the price down. One can debate how much better the new Sienna will be compared to the Odyssey, but is it a $3000 plus better van?
#572 of 2021 DVD Navigation System
Jan 17, 2003 (11:36 am)
Has anyone even seen a DVD Navigation System on the 2004 Sienna?
I think Toyota is still working on puting it all together. I guess for now, I'll just have to assume it looks similar to the ones on the Lexus.
#573 of 2021 Sienna pricing
Jan 17, 2003 (11:55 am)
If you are so concerned about pricing, why do you want the high-end model?
I'm very concerned about price as well as I'm usually quite frugal. We could instead buy from the big 3 and get 0.0% financing. That is very attractive. I don't doubt I'd like one of those vans and we'd save money and get more on it, however, it wouldn't have the best configuration, most room, best engine or transmission, up-to-date features, etc. I don't know what to do, but I do know that without a doubt I'll really enjoy the new Toyota and keep it a long time. I've kept this Previa 13 yrs.
Would I do the same with the GM or Chrysler? I doubt it. It would likely cost more, in the long run.
#574 of 2021 Photos & pricing for harryfat
Jan 17, 2003 (12:19 pm)
Great shots. The best i have seen so far.
Pricing the sienna is going to be tricky as there are 4 models with option bundles thrown in. But it has the best of all the vans to offer. Chk out post 542 where it outlines the features grabbed from other vans. The crowning glory has to be the split foldaway 3rd row seat.
also chk out the warranty on the honda. I have "heard" its only 3 yrs but i may be wrong.
#575 of 2021 re: Sienna Pricing
Jan 17, 2003 (12:24 pm)
In addition to being cheap, I'm also greedy. I just want the most for my money.
The wife wants all kinds of goodies in the van, I'm just trying to get the most/best van for less than $30K before taxes. licenses, etc.
For me, if the two vans are comparably equipped, loaded with everything and the kitchen sink, I would buy the 2004 Sienna based on what I read right now. The premium I'd pay for the new Sienna over the Odyssey is probably around $1,000 (maybe more if I see it in person). I doubt I'd fork over $3K in order to get the newest and greatest van.
I, too, have no interest in the big 3 and 0% financing from those guys. It's either the 2003 Odyssey or 2004 Sienna for me. I currently own a 93 Civic and have no plans to stop using that even after getting the new van.
For years people (like myself) have complained the greedy Honda dealers for charging MSRP or higher on the Odyssey. Now it seems Toyota dealers wants to follow that path as they know this is a hot van. I'm just hoping for the initial rush to die down on the 2004 Sienna by June and then dealers start to discount the vans so it'll affordable for me.
Just because I'm willing to pay more for various options shouldn't necessarily imply I don't care to get the biggest bang for the buck.
Jan 17, 2003 (12:40 pm)
Let's keep in mind that Toyota will be producing MANY more Siennas than they do now. That's only because of the low demand currently but I would highly doubt Toyota has the intention to do what Honda does with MSRPs. Toyota may do this at first given the demand but I doubt it will last.
Jan 17, 2003 (12:47 pm)
You probably want to wait and compare apples to apples. IMO, Toyotas generally cost around $1K more than comparably equipped Hondas due to their way of bundling features. However, people bought Odysseys paying $3K more than MSRP once, so if Sienna is all that it is hyped up to be,
expect to pay more than MSRP at least for a while.
#578 of 2021 Side curtain airbags?
Jan 17, 2003 (1:15 pm)
I'm excited to know that the new Sienna will have side curtain airbags for all three rows of passengers.
We all know by now that children under 12 are at risk for serious bodily injury from airbags and should not sit in the front seat. Since I have two little ones, I'm wondering if there is more data in regards to children and air bags in rear seating configurations.
Does anyone want to weigh in on this topic?