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#1582 of 2021 Extended Warranty
Mar 04, 2003 (7:37 am)
Allow me to share a story. With a name like Windstarloser, I must assume he is familiar with dealing with the Ford Motor Company.
I own a 1995 Windstar. This was the FIRST production year of Ford's ATTEMPT at a minivan. I bought it used from a family member in 1998 with 35000 miles on it. Against his better judgement, the initial owner bought an extended warranty. When I bought the vehicle, I transferred the warranty to my name for $40.
Since that time, take a look at what was done...
=January 1999 47000 Transmission Failure - New Transmission - Warranty - $50
=May 1999 52000 Transmission Failure - New Transmission - Warranty - No Charge
=May 1999 52000 Replace Head Gasket (Under Program) - Ford Program - No Charge
=May 1999 52025 Motor Failure - Replace Engine - Warranty - No Charge
=July 1999 53000 Check Engine Light - Replace Oxygen Sensors - Warranty - $50
=October 1999 56000 Transmission Failure - New Transmission - Warranty - No Charge
=January 2000 59600 New Blower Motor and other stuff - Extended Warranty about to expire - Some Warranty - $400
=February 2000 61000 New Front Brakes and Rotors - I Paid - $225
=April 2000 63000 New Inner Tie Rods - I Paid - $300
=March 2001 75000 Engine Failing - Replace Engine Warranty - No Charge
=April 2001 77600 New Outer Tie Rods - I Paid - $300
As you can see, most was warranty covered...
I know, I know... This was just ONE person's experience. Given what happend Ford's FIRST YEAR production model, do you think this ONE person would buy another FIRST YEAR production vehicle without an Extended Warranty? Not after having to make payments on a >25Large purchase! Not on your life!
Let me make one final comment... I do not think that there will be major issues with the Sienna and the FIRST PRODUCTION year engine/transmission. Even if there are, Toyota (and Honda for that matter) work with their customers much better than their American counterparts.
An extended warranty is nothing more than an insurance policy. With todays increasingly complex electronics, motors, transmission, et. al., one repair will likely pay for itself.
The great thing about this - you control the decision whether or not to buy it...
Mar 04, 2003 (8:22 am)
I just bought an '03 LE Symphony. From my research that was the only way to get VSC without moving up to the XLE package(and a couple thousand more $$). To get the VSC (code VD) you end up getting LE w/ Symphony Pckge (SP), Front side impact air bage (BE), Power Passenger Sliding Door (AJ), 50 state emission (FE), and tow prep (TO). There are usually some odds and ends thrown in (ours has the bumper protector). MSRP for this runs mid 28's. Most people seem to be getting this into the 22's or 23's after rebate. We decided that as long as we could get the VSC and side air bags on the '03, then factor in that the smaller size is a plus for us, and the lower cost, spending for the 04 just didn't make sense. Although I will admit, I am kind of getting '04 envy for things like the new seats. Oh well, I can just look at my checking account balance to ease the pain!!
Good luck on your decision,
#1584 of 2021 03 vs 04
Mar 04, 2003 (1:41 pm)
If seats are your concern, think if you would ever need that space.
I removed my back seats about 6 times since 1999.
Tumbled about 15 times max.
#1585 of 2021 '04 Sienna Body Colors
Mar 04, 2003 (2:33 pm)
I'm very anxiously awaiting the new Sienna. I've been wanting a van for a long time and hopefully my husband and I will agree now is the time. I'm wondering though, what are the new Sienna colors? Since this will be my first brand new car of any kind this is a very important issue! We're still debating between the Odyssey and the Sienna. We'll have to wait and see.
Mar 04, 2003 (3:57 pm)
To all of the Toyota employees out here....
Any idea of the 04's Lease Residuals yet?
#1587 of 2021 Sienna is still too expensive for now
Mar 04, 2003 (4:34 pm)
I have to admit that the Sienna is a little quieter than the Odyssey. But the features/prices of the Odyssey is still better than the Sienna.
I called the local dealer and they will not give me any discounts for ordering the 2004 Sienna. In contrast, I got an offer for $2,000 off MSRP on a 2003 Odyssey.
In my opinion, I think they should have used a chrome grill on the Sienna like the one for the Avalon. Also, the dash display looks a little cheap. Again I think they should have made it look more sedan-like for the dash.
But the bottom line is pricing vs. features.
These are mini-vans, not exactly for showing off.
I think if you are into just the basics, then the Sienna is a winner- CE for about $23,500 compared to $24K Plus for the Odyssey LX, unless again you get a better discount for the Odyssey. If you got $2K off on the Odyssey LX, well then its $22K Plus, which would be a deal.
#1588 of 2021 One man's minivan....another's dream machine.
Mar 04, 2003 (5:39 pm)
Let me preface by saying, "I know I'm about to get flamed for this....." I'll take the heat.
I'm getting tired of hearing people remind us that THIS IS JUST A MINIVAN! True yes, but stop trying to convince yourselves that the new 04 Sienna isn't worth getting excited, and for some, obsessed over. I would agree, if your personal ego is directly related to the length of your gear shifter, the Sienna probably isn't your thing. For some of us here, it's finally the vehicle we've been waiting for. And if it's JUST A MINIVAN, maybe you can spend your time elsewhere.
Mar 04, 2003 (5:58 pm)
Hey, hey, Minivans have feelings also. Lots of things are taken into account when you buy one. Track records show Honda and Toyota are the best.
So leave my Minivan mentality alone.
Mar 04, 2003 (8:31 pm)
Point well taken, grimloc.
Actually, I wanted a Sequoia, but they did not offer the Navigation system and my wife hates SUV.
After owning a Corolla, Camry, Avalon, and then a Lexus LS400, I was initially aiming for the Sienna. The 2003 model did not even offer Navigation system so I was excited that the 2004 model offered it. But finding out that you have to spend about $35-36K for a Sienna with Navigation system, I was disappointed. I was even more disappointed when these local dealers would not offer me any discounts. I guess each of us have certain expectations and standards for everything. I would pay $36K for a Sequoia, but not for a Sienna or any minivan.
My written expressions here are my opinions only so I don't mean to offend anyone.
I was just curious to know if anyone else feels the same about the pricing of the new Sienna. My opinion is that if you want just the strip down model, then the Sienna is a good deal. But then if you want certain things, like Navigation, but not certain things (like DVD RES, 17" Wheels, 10 Speakers) then you just may get frustrated that Toyota doesn't even offer a more basic van with Navigation instead of making you buy everything else just to get navigation.
Apparently, I enjoy reading comments from people like grimloc and bearpamplin. That's why I spend some time here.
I do like to hear more about how everyone really feels about the 2004 Sienna after knowing the prices, discounts or lack of, exterior looks and interior looks.
#1591 of 2021 Andrew: most Toyotas are good value in base model
Mar 04, 2003 (10:43 pm)
Toyota offers great vehicles at a great price until Toyota over priced options are added. (Extra Value Packages in pre- 04 Siennas a notable exception). All of my Toyotas were rather basic without the expensive options.