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Subaru Forester, Subaru Outback, Subaru Legacy, Subaru Baja, Subaru Impreza
May 21, 2002 (1:16 pm)
I've read in many automotive articles that Volvo cheapened the build quality of its cars after 1997, when the 70 Series first came out. I find this to be true in many cases, since I have been in many 1998 & '99 S70s and they don't seem as nice as my '93 850. Can anybody attest to this?
On the other hand, Subaru's build quality has been much improved over the past decade. Today's Subies are a far cry from the original, crude Loyales and Legacies.
May 21, 2002 (4:33 pm)
the old legacys weren't so bad! The old loyales were!
And I have noticed this trend in several of my friends' cars: the post-1995 volvos are not the same breed as the older ones. I think Volvo is cheapening up. Good news: more business for Subie!
May 21, 2002 (6:35 pm)
Can you tow with a Forester? Is there a factory towing package?
May 30, 2002 (4:35 am)
Referring to the name of this topic, the new Subarus are not bad vehicles at all. Everyone I've talked to who owns a '99 or up Subie rates their experience a near 100%, whether it be in the reliability, driving, or service departments. Subies are probably the Japanese cult cars of modern times; although small compared with Toyota or Honda, they have a very devoted fan base, largely in the Northeast and Northwest. I'm from Vermont, so I can attest to this.
I can also safely say that Saab and Volvo are European cult cars as well; unlike big players like BMW and Mercedes, they sell cars to a very limited clientele. But I do think that Volvo is kind of losing it right now. They want to play big and lose the practical/sturdy image in favor of luxury/sporty styles. I don't like that. Besides, the new Volvos are too complicated for my tastes. I prefer basic, primitive and simple.
Jun 02, 2002 (11:10 am)
Road and Track has just taken on a WRX for its long term test, so this would be good to follow issue by issue. It's the long term use of a new model that really tells the story.
#56 of 116 I hear alaska is also big on subies
Jun 02, 2002 (6:23 pm)
they are supposedly as common as mosquitoes in the summer up there on the tundra.
Jun 03, 2002 (8:19 am)
Probably smaller tha Alaska mosquitos however. If it has a license plate, it's a car, that's one way to tell.
Jun 03, 2002 (10:15 am)
Do not, under any circumstances, venture east of Tok, Alaska, into the Yukon Territory while driving a Subaru. Roaming hordes of Yukon mosquitoes will blow you off the road with the prop wash from their wings, and then... it's too horrible to describe here...
Jun 03, 2002 (11:05 am)
Remember if it has numbers on the side, it's a small plane, otherwise, swat it!
#60 of 116 Subaru's and Mercedes can all go 250,000 + miles
Jun 05, 2002 (4:54 am)
I have friends who have kept Subaru's for 11 or more years and they feel the Sub's have been reliable. Also, a good friend bought a new M-B 300 series sedan in the early 90's (it was subsequently stolen from the streets of NY and 2 years later showed up in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic - but that's another story).
It was his belief that the Mercedes would run forever, since by following the owners manual and the even more extensive dealer's list of "routine" maintenance there would be zero original parts left in the car by 100,000 miles. In his first check-up the cost was over $900 and it got worse. I guess longevity is a possibility, but at what price. No one on this board seems to mention the cost (time, inconvenience, etc.) of repairing a high-mileage car for those who are not skilled at repairing cars or don't have the time. I work in an office in the suburban NYC area - I am supposed to work 8:30 to 4:30, but the reality is (for everyone these days) I am in by 7:00 AM, work through lunch and seldom leave befreo 6:30 or 7:00 PM. If I don't do that they can me and get someone else who will. I am not an executive or a stock broker, just the mail room and admin services manager. This may not seem real to people who work outside major metro aeas, but it is truth. That's why we don't understand the country folk in poor areas who complain the that the city folks got all the money, but they themselves would never push themselves to work the hours and weeknds we do. You get from life what you put into it.
Back the the car issue - I can't find the time to pick up my dry cleaning or prescriptions sometimes for 2 or 3 weeks, when do we get to lay-up a car to work on it or get it fixed? Just some thoughts.