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Subaru Forester, Subaru Outback, Subaru Legacy, Subaru Baja, Subaru Impreza
#1 of 116 Are Subaru's any good anymore?
May 10, 2002 (2:20 pm)
I have always thought Subarus lasted 250,000 miles with no problems. I have talked to three Subaru owners in the past three days and everyone of them said they are no longer any good. I am told that they made an engine change and all three of these people have major mechanical problems. What's up?
May 11, 2002 (5:31 am)
I don't know much about their newest models, but Subaru has a good track record of producing reliable vehicles. In one of the other topics, someone stated that in a recent Consumer Reports issue, they ranked Subaru as being tied with Toyota for producing the most reliable vehicles. This shocked me because I thought Honda had a better reliability record than Subarua did (and I still think they do). The point is, I think you need a larger sample than just 3 people before dertermining if car is any good or not. If there isn't any info available on this car yet in the magazines, you may want to wait until there is, if you're considering one. Every car maker has their bad vehicles. Fortunately for us, the Japanese don't build too many bad ones.
May 11, 2002 (6:02 am)
The very concept of "250,000 miles without any problems" is not realistic for ANY car made, much less an inexpensive one. That is simply outside the odds and the probabilities for even a Mercedes or Lexus or Bentley.
If one has just fantastic expectations, of course one WILL be disappointed in one's new Subaru, much like I'd guess the person expecting the perfect mate or perfect vacation experience.
Get real, folks. Cars are machines and they will braek after the warranty. Hopefully, with your good care and the services of reputable repair shops, your repairs will not be too frequent or too expensive.
But 250K with "no problems"? Please, no Subaru even went that far without "problems" and none ever will. Nor any car for that matter. The average car in America on the road today is only some 9 years old or so. Do the math (12K miles per year?)
Fantasy Land, IMO, if one expects 250K trouble free miles.
Probably no better Subaru has ever existed than the one in the showroom now.
#4 of 116 Mr. Shiftright
May 11, 2002 (6:25 am)
It all depends on what you consider to be problems. I've seen plenty of Hondas and Toyotas running fine with more than 250K miles on them, and none of them had any internal engine work done to them. Now I don't consider replacing things like timing belts, water pumps, and CV joints problems, I consider them normal maintenance because none of these parts will last for 250K.
Though I haven't seen any, I have no doubts that there have been Subarus that have gone 250K. Did these people have to replace parts on their cars? Of course. You can't just put gas in a car and drive it 250K, it has to be maintained.
Any well built, well maintained car can go 250K. I would expect to get 100K from a car, and anything you get beyond that is a benny. This way you don't get disappointed. Expecting a car to go 250K is shunned.
May 11, 2002 (10:28 am)
Yes, they "can" go 250K with really good care, and without a new engine or transmission, but they don't 99% of the time because it's generally not cost effective. Cars this old start to nickel and dime the owners, and start to look shabby, and then instead of nickels and dimes its quarters. People do the math and sell the car cheap, and that's usually the end of it, in the hands of a new owner who does zero maintenance from that point. Why fix a $750 used car?.
If you have time, go to a wrecking yard (if they will let you) and examine all the speedometers on ALL the undamaged cars. You won't find one in 100 with 250K on it, if that many. If accident doesn't claim them, neglect does.
So plan on putting alternators and timing belts and shocks and brakes and mufflers and a wiper motor and new stereo speakers and tires and a fuel pump on your Subaru or whatever after 100K, because that's what is going to happen to you and just about every other car on the road.
May 11, 2002 (12:47 pm)
To some, it's worth it to replace all those things instead of buying a new car. And it's still cheaper to do that than to make car payments.
May 11, 2002 (7:10 pm)
Oh, I agree completely! By all means squeeze as much useful (and cost effective) life as you can from your car.
#8 of 116 Safety a factor
May 11, 2002 (8:21 pm)
Among other considerations, old cars become obsolete. Three years ago I gave my '77 Bonneville wagon away(partly because it needed transmission work) and purchased a used Caravan. 1. The Caravan has dual air bags and an excellent safety record and 2. it's V6 uses about half the fuel of the old v8 while providing seating for 7 vs 8 in the Pontiac. Even so the cost of owning- fixing and fueling the Pontiac would have been less than the Caravan because of "money" cost of the extra $8000 value, the added depreciation, and paying collision insurance that had long been dropped on the wagon. But who do you know still driving one of these old wagons because they are less cost per mile?
I also own a '95 Subaru Outback and follow the Subaru Owners Club and have heard little in the way of new owners being disappointed. There is also a participating company rep who has been very helpful to Edmunds participants when they have not been satisfied with dealer problem solving. That impresses me as a company doing the right thing.
May 12, 2002 (5:22 am)
Yes, safety. I drove a Saab turbo up to 235,000 miles but had it scrapped when we discovered all kinds of stress cracking in the suspension. I wouldn't even risk selling a car like that to someone and of course an '86 Saab with 235K is not worth fixing.
I think people are much too blase about the safety issues with very high mileage cars.
May 12, 2002 (4:49 pm)
What about cars that are driven long distances almost everyday? I have a '99 Camry which I drive almost about 40K miles a year. Currently it has a little over 100K and I do hope to make it over 200K with just routine maintenance(timing belt,water pump/coolants & fluids/air filter/consumables and of course oil change). Is that too much to ask ? Even with so many miles, it still drives as quiet and smooth as day one.