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True Cost to Own (TCO) - Hidden Costs of Car Ownership

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Re: [mikefm58] by isellhondas
Jun 25, 2007 (7:36 pm)
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Replying to: mikefm58 (Jun 25, 2007 5:52 pm)

That wasn't my intension. I guess I get sick of "some" people acting like holdback somehow belongs to them.
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Re: [isellhondas] by mikefm58
Jun 26, 2007 (4:31 am)
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Replying to: isellhondas (Jun 25, 2007 7:36 pm)

Yeah I agree, I did some work here in Florida when the hurricanes were bad in 2004 running a tree service business. Some people think charging $50 an hour for labor when a business has 2-3 workers at a time on the job is outrageous.
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Lose your car in 5.5 years by dave8697
Jul 03, 2007 (9:10 am)
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I was checking the cost to buy a G5. A Pro-Honda person wrote that TCO is high for the G5 in her quest to uplift the Civic as an alternative. Curious, I tallied the depreciation, the maintenance, and the repair costs from TCO for 5 years. For the G5, I plotted the depreciation from the TMV price. Then I subrtacted the maintenance and repair from the depreciation curve. The result for the G5? The net value of the car was ZERO in less than 5.5 years. This takes away any shred of truth for me for that part of the TCO data. I wonder if you would lose a Honda Civic in 5.5 years also, or is this opinion (not data) just strongly biased against American engineers and American led assemblers output?
 
How can the G5 have almost $4000 of repairs and maintenance in just the 4th and 5th years of ownership while still under the 5 year, 100000 mile powertrain warranty and the lifetime or 100000 mile rust thru warranty, and just coming off the (dlr makes everything perfect at the end of the)3 yr bumper to bumper warranty?
 
So someone paying the sales tax down on a loaded G5 ending up with a 5 year payment of $383 a month must plan on $145 a month additional for repairs and maintenance all thru yrs 4 and 5? Then what? The powertrain warranty ends and the thing starts to really fall apart?
 
I budget $150-200 a year in maint and repairs for each of my '96, '98, '98, '99 GM and Ford cars and much less for my '01 Chev. That includes tires and oil. I always spend less.
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Re: Lose your car in 5.5 years [dave8697] by mikefm58
Jul 03, 2007 (10:34 am)
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Replying to: dave8697 (Jul 03, 2007 9:10 am)

How can the G5 have almost $4000 of repairs and maintenance in just the 4th and 5th years of ownership while still under the 5 year, 100000 mile powertrain warranty and the lifetime or 100000 mile rust thru warranty, and just coming off the (dlr makes everything perfect at the end of the)3 yr bumper to bumper warranty?
 
I would really question that item. But I could see tires, brakes, a battery, and maybe one unexpected repair running a grand or more, but that's about it.
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Re: Lose your car in 5.5 years [mikefm58] by british_rover
Jul 03, 2007 (12:55 pm)
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Replying to: mikefm58 (Jul 03, 2007 10:34 am)

Well the 5 year 100,000 mile warranty is a recent addition maybe the formula has not been modified to account for that yet.
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Re: Lose your car in 5.5 years [british_rover] by dave8697
Jul 03, 2007 (4:12 pm)
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Replying to: british_rover (Jul 03, 2007 12:55 pm)

why not? 2007 is the first year of this car and the 100k warranty started with the 2007 models across the entire GM line, starting a full year ago.
 
Pontiac hasn't run the first TV commercial for the G5 yet and it already has it's 5th year repair bill average calculated.
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Re: Lose your car in 5.5 years [dave8697] by british_rover
Jul 03, 2007 (5:35 pm)
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Replying to: dave8697 (Jul 03, 2007 4:12 pm)

Well the G5 is just the Cobalt with a different badge and the Cobalt, at least drivetrain wise, isn't any different from the last year caviler. As far as I remember from working on cobalts that even though the platform is new the engines from the Caviler were carry over.
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Re: Lose your car in 5.5 years [dave8697] by asafonov
Jul 05, 2007 (7:45 am)
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Replying to: dave8697 (Jul 03, 2007 9:10 am)

I budget $150-200 a year in maint and repairs for each of my '96, '98, '98, '99 GM and Ford cars and much less for my '01 Chev. That includes tires and oil. I always spend less.
 
You may be right in your critique of the TCO on the G5, but if you spent less than $150-200 a year on cars that are from 5 to 12 years old, you have been very lucky. $150 covers what, 4 oil changes and a couple of rotations, and nothing else (trans drain, radiator flush, new wipers, new tires, new battery) - and nothing that ever breaks.
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Re: Lose your car in 5.5 years [british_rover] by dave8697
Jul 05, 2007 (12:39 pm)
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Replying to: british_rover (Jul 03, 2007 5:35 pm)

G5 Engines are not carryover from Cavalier. The drivetrain is not the same as the last year Cavalier. The car weighs 360 lbs more and has 8 more HP from the base engine. The displacement is still 2.2 L but the engine was redesigned. The 173 HP supercharged optional engine was not available on the 2005 Cavalier either.
Still, with no customers having had to repair a Cobalt yet, the G5 repair is based on non existing data. All cobalts are still under the 3 year bumper to bumper warranty.
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Re: Lose your car in 5.5 years [asafonov] by dave8697
Jul 05, 2007 (12:56 pm)
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Replying to: asafonov (Jul 05, 2007 7:45 am)

Spreading 50k mi / yr across 6 vehicles, some get driven 22k and some 4k, with the avg. of 5 lesser driven ones being about 6k/yr. The 22k/yr car is running a tiny bit over $222 a year due to 60 series tires it needs. Some of the others have needed nothing but oil changes in 2 years. Tire rotations are free and Oil changes are done by me. My original, 20 yr old trans fluid in my '87 Astro is still doing fine so why mess with it? I wouldn't expect myself to be taking a 40k mile, 3-4 yr old G5 to the Dealer and say "Here's $1375, give this thing a checkup even though it runs perfect" And then say "Here's another $900, fix something covered under warranty but charge me anyway". That is what Edmunds TCO shows for G5.

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