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True Cost to Own (TCO) - Hidden Costs of Car Ownership

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Re: Complete Car Cost Guide [jfknott] by tidester HOST
Apr 13, 2007 (12:20 pm)
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Replying to: jfknott (Apr 13, 2007 9:51 am)

Is it Ok to use if it doesn't link?
 
We prefer that you don't. Other members will still see it as soliciting and it will get in the way of meaningful dialog.
 
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Re: [kirstie_h] by fw360
Jun 17, 2007 (12:07 am)
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Replying to: kirstie_h (May 02, 2002 12:07 pm)

Hi,
 
I think the "cost of ownership" starts with the initial price of the car. I am ready to buy a new car and I am a bit confused by some of the charges that is in the pricing that a sales has sent me.
 
It shows the normal price items: vehicle base model, options, destination charge. But then it has some strange items: TDA, Dealer Holdback, Wholesale Financial Reserve.
 
Can you or someone educate me on what are they?
 
Thanks.
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Re: [fw360] by tidester HOST
Jun 17, 2007 (8:52 am)
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Replying to: fw360 (Jun 17, 2007 12:07 am)

Here's a start:
 
TDA is the Toyota Dealer Advertising fee which the dealer has to pay to a dealer advertising group.
 
Read all about Dealer holdback here: here.
 
Wholesale financial reserve used to be called the "floorplan fee" which is a fee the dealer pays to the manufacturer supposedly to cover the cost of keeping a car in the showroom but for which the dealer gets reimbursed when the car is sold.
 
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Re: [fw360] by mikefm58
Jun 17, 2007 (3:07 pm)
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Replying to: fw360 (Jun 17, 2007 12:07 am)

Dealer holdback: Additional revenue paid to the dealer from the manufacturer if certain sales incentives are met. So why is the dealer adding this item as a cost to you? I don't have a clue.
 
My advice, run, not walk, away from this dealer.
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Re: [mikefm58] by tidester HOST
Jun 17, 2007 (4:57 pm)
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Replying to: mikefm58 (Jun 17, 2007 3:07 pm)

if certain sales incentives are met.
 
I don't think holdback has anything to do with incentives. It helps the dealer with cash flow, increasing profit and minimizing commissions to salespeople - see the link I provided in my previous message.
 
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Re: [tidester] by british_rover
Jun 17, 2007 (5:02 pm)
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Replying to: tidester (Jun 17, 2007 4:57 pm)

Sometimes holdback is tied into meeting certain objectives or CSI scores. It all depends on the brand.
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Re: [british_rover] by tidester HOST
Jun 17, 2007 (5:10 pm)
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Replying to: british_rover (Jun 17, 2007 5:02 pm)

Thanks, BR, but do you mean that without meeting those objectives or CSI scores there is no holdback?
 
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Re: [tidester] by british_rover
Jun 17, 2007 (5:27 pm)
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Replying to: tidester (Jun 17, 2007 5:10 pm)

Depends on the Brand it would more likely be reduced not eliminated. Most of the euro brands that don't have holdback in the same way that the domestics and Japaneses brands do but the do have incentive money that is directly tied to CSI, volume and various audits.
 
Perform poorly on any one and the financial consequences can be dire.
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Re: [mikefm58] by isellhondas
Jun 25, 2007 (6:21 am)
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Replying to: mikefm58 (Jun 17, 2007 3:07 pm)

You are so wrong and I am so tired of trying to explain what holdback is and how it works.
 
It is NOT bottom line profit!
 
People who are obsessed with holdback should also think about the trememdous OVERHEAD that dealers pay every month just to keep the doors open!
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Re: [isellhondas] by mikefm58
Jun 25, 2007 (5:52 pm)
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Replying to: isellhondas (Jun 25, 2007 6:21 am)

No need to scold me, I "think" you replied to the wrong msg. Where in my post did I say anything about it being bottom line profit?

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