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#148 of 157 Re: Audi [msacks] by kyfdx HOST Jul 30, 2008 (7:22 am)
Replying to: msacks (Jul 30, 2008 1:15 am) Most of the $299/mo. advertised deals require a substantial upfront payment... amortized over the length of the lease, most of those deals average out to $450/mo.+ tax.. for a relatively low mileage allowance..   So, maybe not $600/mo., but much closer to $500, in reality, than $299 Replies to this message: speculative1 (Aug 25, 2008 10:52 am)
#150 of 157 Re: Audi [kyfdx] by speculative1 Aug 25, 2008 (10:52 am)
Replying to: kyfdx (Jul 30, 2008 7:22 am) TCO needs to also take things into account like what tires come on the vehicle. If you live in the snowbelt for example and you buy a new Civic Si, you'll need to purchase a good set of snow tires for $400-$500. On my last car, it cost me $100 per year to swap out all seasons vs. snows twice a year. So, over the course of 5 years that is ~$1,000 in additional costs.   Also, you could factor in things like gas tank size since a small gas tank makes you fill up more frequently. Might seem nit-picky but we just took a trip to Reno where gas prices varied by nearly one dollar in a span of 100 miles. We saved $15-$20 one one tank because we were able to choose where we filled up since we had a large tank.   Overall I do think that TCO is very useful even if it just points out some hidden costs that one might not think about everyday. For example, my Subaru required nearly $1,500 worth of scheduled tune-ups before 100k, while my new Toyota requires $0 worth of scheduled tune-ups before 100k (tune-ups, not oil changes). That is quite a difference, and now I will always take these factors into account when purchasing.
#151 of 157 Pontiac Vibe by geoffm3 Aug 28, 2008 (6:00 am)
On Edmunds' TCO page, it lists the Pontiac Vibe in the over $40k wagon segment. Now, I know GM sometimes has a reputation for lacking quality, but I think this is a mistake. How can a sub $20k car fit in there? Replies to this message: kirstie_h (Aug 28, 2008 11:31 am)
#152 of 157 Re: Pontiac Vibe [geoffm3] by kirstie_h HOST Aug 28, 2008 (11:31 am)
Replying to: geoffm3 (Aug 28, 2008 6:00 am) Hm... that does seem off. You can bring it to the attention of the TCO team by using the "help" link at the top of this page (itty bitty, on the right) since they don't read these discussions.
#153 of 157 Did dealer sell me an illegal car? by VicVic2008 Jan 29, 2009 (5:01 pm)
hi, all,   i live in colorado and bought a 2007 used car from a small dealership six months ago. the vehicle was sold to me 'as it is'.   a few days ago i ran into an accident and have had the car worked in body shop. the shop told me that the car was in heavy accident (tell from the condition of interior parts) before i bought it, which i was not informed of by the dealer. I thought i could not argue about it cuz i bought 'as it is'. then i was told that some of the parts were not fixed properly after last accident and might impose some safety issue; and the dealership was not supposed to sell this vehicle to me, or at least should have informed me of that condition.   if the message i received is correct, i might considering to get back to the dealer.   i wonder if anyone has experience of such issue...shed some light on it? i m totally dummy with the legal system..   appreciate in advance. Replies to this message: dtownfb (Feb 03, 2009 12:06 pm) oregonboy (Feb 12, 2009 9:25 pm) joel0622 (May 19, 2009 3:15 pm)
#154 of 157 Re: Did dealer sell me an illegal car? [VicVic2008] by dtownfb Feb 03, 2009 (12:06 pm)
Replying to: VicVic2008 (Jan 29, 2009 5:01 pm) If you bought it "as is", not sure if you have a case against the dealer. I guess you can try to contact the dealer but not unless he deliberately misled you or lied to you about the condition of the car, I don't see you getting very far. Also remember that the dealer may not have been aware of the prior accident.   Before you contact the dealer, you may want to pull a Carfax report to see if the accident shows up.   Good luck.
#155 of 157 Re: Did dealer sell me an illegal car? [VicVic2008] by oregonboy Feb 12, 2009 (9:25 pm)
Replying to: VicVic2008 (Jan 29, 2009 5:01 pm) I seem to recall something about implied contracts and "fitness for intended purpose". I would think that if the vehicle was unsafe to drive, the buyer would have legal recourse unless it was sold "as is for parts".   You might try to work something out with the seller. If they give no satisfaction, small claims court or the District Attorney's Office would seem a likely next step.   Remember, this legal advice is worth exactly what you paid for it. Replies to this message: joel0622 (May 19, 2009 3:15 pm)
#156 of 157 Re: Did dealer sell me an illegal car? [oregonboy] by joel0622 May 19, 2009 (3:15 pm)
Replying to: oregonboy (Feb 12, 2009 9:25 pm) It varies from state to state as to what the laws are. Here in TN you cannot "Intentionally" sell a car that has had over $XXX in damage (I can't remember the figure) with out disclosing it.
#157 of 157 1996 Olds 88 repair/maintenance costs by lhy Jul 09, 2009 (3:57 am)
I have some questions the cost to own a 1996 Olds 88 LS. It has low mileage of 40K.   What are the maintenance and repair costs like for this car?   Is there a problem with price/availibility of parts given that this model line is discontinued and GM's recent problems?

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