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Jun 12, 2002 (4:09 pm)
Wasn't there a small truck about that time that used the 360 and held the title of fastest car in America?
#141 of 149 There was something called...
Jun 13, 2002 (4:18 am)
...the L'il Red Express or L'il Red Wagon, that was sold in the late '70's. It was a full-size Dodge pickup with a short bed, and smoke stacks reminiscent of a big rig. I think the first ones had 440's, but the final models had the high-output 360-4bbl. I do remember reading somewhere that either one would whomp a Corvette of the time period. Then again, by that time, just about any police car could probably do the same
FWIW, I also remember reading that around '74-76, the Duster/Dart Sport 360's were the fastest cars in America. By that time, I think they still had around 220-240 hp, and were fairly lightweight, so I guess that's not TOO implausible.
Jun 13, 2002 (6:21 am)
I think there was the LIL RED EXPRESS and ONE ALSO CALLED THE WARLOCK
#144 of 149 As I remember it from the mid 70s...
Jun 13, 2002 (7:07 am)
Just about any old clunk with a V8 would outun the Dodge Diplomats that were the favored "police interceptor" of the era.
Jun 13, 2002 (8:01 am)
...Diplomats were not used as police interceptors until around 1980-81. I'm sure that some Diplomats found their way into police fleets before that, but they would've just been the plain-Jane models with, at best, a 318-4bbl putting out about 155 hp or a 360-2bbl putting out around 150. The 195 hp engine went into the Aspen/Volare and the R-body Newport/St. Regis. A lot of these cars however, even though they were police cars, still got stuck with 318's or the low-suds 360. And by 1980, the 318-2 was down to 120 hp, and the 360-2 was a measly 130 hp.
Actually, I'm not sure if the 360-4bbl ever even went into an M-body (at least not "officially") By the time the police forces were using the M-body, they were mainly using 318-4bbls with 165 hp, which got bumped to 175 hp around '85-86 (or whenever they dumped the Carter carb for the Quadrajet). Still, some police forces still ordered 318-2bbls, or even 225 Slant Sixes (when they were still available)
As for the Warlock, I remember that name too, but couldn't remember if it was used on the pickup or the van.
#146 of 149 Andre your knowledge of Mopar arcana astounds me
Jun 13, 2002 (1:01 pm)
I still stand by my assertion that any old clunk with 8 cylinders could out run mid-70s cop cars OR
a Dodge diplomat.
I had a buddy in the FBI. He used to switch back and forth between a Diplomat and a Malibu. He preferred the Malibu by a lot.
#147 of 149 another bubble?
Jun 14, 2002 (10:28 pm)
I spoke with an LS6 convertible owner. He said that there are only about 9 in existence that have any sort of documentation. He recently sold the car, and I was told by a Corvette restorer, that he got around $150K or more for it. It was a nice car but it was not perfect. The "ultimate" musclecar are selling for some outrageous prices. I was told that the Otis Chandler '71 Hemi Cuda convertible sold for $500K and there was a blue on blue Hemi Cuda convertible that went for $350K. '69 Yenko's are selling for around $80-100K and the aluminum motor ZL1's are going for $100-200K.
Jun 15, 2002 (8:02 am)
Some of these cars are incredibly rare, hence the crazy prices. But don't expect that all muscle cars are automatically going to hit these heights....they won't because they are not produced in quantities under 25 like some of the cars you mentioned. There is a BIG difference between a production of 7 Hemi Cuda convertibles and 1, 009 'Cuda convertibles. Americans think 1,009 cars is rare, but it isn't in the really hot collectible car markets, not at all.
Of course, rarity itself doesn't mean something is valuable. Somebody has to REALLY care about the car itself. Obviously, a lot of people care about rare muscle cars.
Personally I think paying $400K for a Plymouth is a bit over the top, because it is just an ordinary Plymouth with certain options, but you know, a car is worth what someone is willing to pay for it, and that's the bottom line.
Jun 21, 2002 (6:17 am)
I remember the articles from the mid-70's in (I think) C&D where they looked for the fastest car in America (by top speed). The red truck and the dart 340/360 did beat the Vette I believe. I thnk the Dart took top speed, the truck might have been 0-60.
Only reason the truck was there: no emissions controls yet. The Dart was just a nice package (reasonable weight, decent power).
I always like the 340 cars. Better than the 6 cyl '73 duster I had (did the 3-speed stick make it a sports car? How about the sunroof?)