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Infiniti G35, Infiniti G37, Coupe, Sedan
#3547 of 11107 Re: The new G35 is available a good amount below MSRP [goodcarguy]
Nov 14, 2006 (7:30 pm)
hello good carguy,
you make a very good point. please don't misunderstand. dealers have a right to make a profit. i would not be niave and say that they don't.
I know salesmen and dealers read and contribute to this site, so i fully expect to receive a response like yours.
cars can earn all the awards in the world. AND you are correct, the buyers set the market. as they do with all other consumable or tangible products. My point is that overall, consumers are not well educated for what they purchase. I know that's a dangerous statement. Many out there probably think I am crazy. I apologize in advance to those this offends..but i truly believe that consumers pay way more for products than they should.
this is the question with the new g35. if infiniti held MSRP for the new 2007 to just over $600 increase from the old AND "totally re-vamped" the car, in the words of the salesmen I've spoken to....then why try to charge near MSRP for the 2006? Apparently, Infiniti saw the need to remain price competitive against it's german rivals. However, the salesmen I've spoken to speak boulderdash to try to convince me that the 2006 model which was $28 or so two weeks ago, has now increased in value thousands of dollars. With the brake problems, low quality interior, etc.
Awards are marketing tools designed to improve sales of a particular item. For example, Grammy music awards are based on record sales, not necessarily the "quality" of the music. (Understanding that it's all up to the individual to determine what is good or not. it's a matter of taste). I guess the same logic applies to products.
Still, it doesn't change my mind that people consistently over pay for cars, because the dealers are stuffing the prices with tons of questionable charges. THis is proven to be true, merely due to the existance of sites like this. People are trying to share information, to minimize the amount of money that is unethically taken from them.
If we as consumers were better informed, then sellers and dealers could be held to a higher standard and the boulderdash reduced significantly. I've walked into many, many dealerships over the past few months. All but ONE tried illegal, unethical and decietful ways to get money out of me. I just left a BMW dealership that I had to threaten with legal action; still, this dealership is trying to sell me a defective car for $6k more than KBB (car dealer and industry provided values - can you say "mark-up", still) says its worth.
I'm working with the ONE now, hoping to come to a price I can handle and move forward with building a decent customer relationship with it.
Sorry for the long answer..Still, best wishes.
#3548 of 11107 Re: Need Useful Info... [yogiowner]
Nov 14, 2006 (8:07 pm)
The answer is pure and simple: Econ 101 - demand and supply. That is the reason why 2007 G35s are going for MSRP, while 2006ers can be had for $6000+ off the sticker. $28k can buy you a nicely-equipped 2006 G35 now.
#3549 of 11107 Re: The new G35 is available a good amount below MSRP 
Nov 14, 2006 (8:36 pm)
I will be purchasing a 2007 G-35X for $1,500 over invoice and I think that's a bargain. The mark-up is only $3,000 over invoice. This is simply a case of supply and demand. It is not collusion but independent business men making business decisions. No one is forcing you to buy the car and if you want a "deal" you'll just have to wait. If you want a deal, I suggest you purchase a vehicle that isn't in demand and you'll get the price you feel is fair. i.e.-Ford, GM. p.s- I do not work in the car industry.
#3550 of 11107 Re: The new G35 is available a good amount below MSRP [yogiowner]
Nov 14, 2006 (8:54 pm)
Apples/Oranges/Bananas. Gmorales is comparing deals on a 06 coupe (with few changes in 07) to a 06 sedan (with new generation for 07). Yogiowner is transferring deals on a RWD sedan to a four wheel drive G35x...in New York...in mid-November. Basic truths of supply and demand rule. AWD vehicles hold value in fall/winter as convertibles hold value in spring/summer. Dealership competition, available stock, color and option choices are additional factors.
One or two years ago, profit in some US SUVs was over 10K. Labor contracts force production of such vehicles today in spite of reduced demand. You can find some SUVs at 10-16K off MSRP. That is real savings today but not a real "fair value" or "industry provided value" compared to last year.
Check sales numbers at nissannews.com and see the trucks saving the cars. Thus the current factory incentives and lease deals for remaining 06 base sedans. When you decide what car you want, you should be able to cut a fair and valid deal with a few e-mails if you show good faith.
#3551 of 11107 Extended Warranty Question
Nov 15, 2006 (11:31 am)
I have an order on a Platinum Graphite G35X in Northern NJ at MSRP. I am considering purchasing the extended warranty(the Infiniti Elite Extended Protection Plan). Would what be a fair price for the 100k mile/7 year extension? Thanks.
#3552 of 11107 Re: 2007 G35 Sport? Price, availability? [asingh80]
Nov 15, 2006 (1:05 pm)
I can't comment on the car specifically, but the process is correct. If the car must be ordered, it's done at the beginning of the month.
Dec - order
Jan - build
late Feb or March - delivery.
I think April might be a bit long.
#3553 of 11107 Re: The new G35 is available a good amount below MSRP [yogiowner]
Nov 15, 2006 (5:48 pm)
Selling and Buying car is very unique in U.S.
Same car with exact same options have same M.S.R.P. but
selling price is negotiable.
Of course, new car dealers should make fair profit on their
cars. Unfortunately not every car is popular. So on some popular models they make tons of profit and some they will
sell for very low profit. That's just the way it is.
Remember a dealer makes profit not just on car itself,but
also on financing and accessories etc.. Sometimes they will
make more profit in financing than car itself.
Some people just have to have the latest toy or a great new
car. I usually wait until demand is not so high. Remember,
some people paid $3 to 5 thousand over sticker on Miata when
it first came out! It's just insane.
If you have patience, usually you will be rewarded.
#3554 of 11107 Re: The new G35 is available a good amount below MSRP [ocg35man]
Nov 15, 2006 (7:36 pm)
very good points. basic economics of supply and demand can rule....i'd be crazy to say it doesn't.
still doesn't tell me how the same car G35x three days ago, with the same demand has increased in price by $4 - 5K. I think that's a bit more than supply and demand.
And by the way, I have it from a couple of people in the dealerships that there very much is collusion to an extent. It sounds crazy, but it definitely exists.
Bottom line is what was said above. I will have to pick another car, because this one is too hot. I've decided not to pay more than $28k for the car. So, I'm priced out of the market. Hopefully, I can find something else I like that will not force me to spend more than is reasonable for me. I had hoped for a base model with a sunroof, nothing more. I should also add that there are dealer incentives....
anyhow, i appreciate all the input. I hope there are more people out there with opinions.
I would close by saying this - we should not be so easily separated from our money..
#3555 of 11107 Re: Need Useful Info... [jtla]
Nov 15, 2006 (7:54 pm)
Econ 101 - supply and demand can be mitigated by informed consumers. suppliers cannot charge, what demanders/buyers will not pay. simple econ 101 is not as simple as one would think. marketplace dynamics change daily, thus our conversation about how to get what we want without losing our shirts (unless we want to get soaked - smile)
If we could speak seasoned employees who work for the manufacturers, etc. we would learn how many thousands we are truly overpaying by.
One bean counter's opinion...
#3556 of 11107 2007 Infiniti & Nissan-Consumer Reports
Nov 15, 2006 (8:58 pm)
Consumer Reports just came out with their new survey and rated Infiniti/Nissan at the bottom among all Japanese cars for reliability, service, etc. To all Infiniti owners:
What has been your experience with Infiniti's service reliability, maintenance etc? Is the Infiniti a reliable vehicle??